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To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...
It takes barely any toxicity to get someone, somewhere to issue a mostly meaningless "I hate this guy" press release.
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As a conservative-ish person in tech, I'm glad I made the decision to hide my politics beginning a few years ago. You people are vicious. I'd love to have an open debate or conversation, but that doesn't seem to be your game. Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. It's going to be a messy process and some people are going to disagree. That…
> Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented > changes to a core social institution that goes back > into prehistory. Homosexuality was not a big deal during Ancient History. Then came Christianity and its obscurantism, shaming everything that was not in the good book for the sake of control. Our culture is going back to its roots paganism and greek heritage it's a long way since the Renaissance.
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The article could have been clearer, but this is the important bit: The three board members who resigned sought a CEO from outside Mozilla with experience in the mobile industry who could help expand the organization’s Firefox OS mobile-operating system and balance the skills of co-founders Eich and Baker . So it's not about the Prop 8 thing at all.
There are some people within Mozilla who are demanding he recant his Pro 8 support. Google "eich" and you'll get one or two such bloggers, within the first 5 hits or so.
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> They are pretty mutually exclusive. I don't disagree per se, but do you apply this generally , disqualifying people with any expressed anti-egalitarian politics from leading a pro-egalitarian organization such as Mozilla? Would you apply a "no Randians" or "no libertarians" litmus test as much as a "no Christian fundamentalists" or "no social conservatives" test? In my opinion, the economic and social equality angl…
I agree that it can quickly become murky with certain things. As I said though, actions matter. Being a libertarian is a very different thing from donating $1000 to an anti-equal rights campaign. If economic and social equality angles are of fairly equal relevance, then Eich shouldn't be CEO, because him being CEO puts the economic angle as significantly more important than the social equality one.
Why?
Are we talking about degrees here? About the skin in the game? -- If so, I agree.
If it is about free speech, I disagree.
For example, what if he had given $10? Same amount of vitriol, or a little less?
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I agree that it can quickly become murky with certain things. As I said though, actions matter. Being a libertarian is a very different thing from donating $1000 to an anti-equal rights campaign. If economic and social equality angles are of fairly equal relevance, then Eich shouldn't be CEO, because him being CEO puts the economic angle as significantly more important than the social equality one.
> Being a libertarian is a very different thing from donating $1000 to an anti-equal rights campaign. If you mean that people should be able to think whatever thoughts they want without me conducting paparazzi-style investigations to find out what they think, sure: I'm not advocating a campaign to find everyone who owns a copy of F.A. Hayek's Road to Serfdom and ostracize them (in fact, I own one!). But how about don…
Actions matter. Thoughts that you keep to yourself? I don't care. Go nuts with that.
(also I'm not a fan of the libertarianism in tech/SV, but that's a whole different discussion)
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It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…
>The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. To emphasise this point - the importance of the choice in relating to the outside world - this is just in: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco... The Victorian AIDS Council and Gay Men's Health Centre, one of the most important gay c…
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To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...
Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?
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He did say mobile web apps, not mobile apps. And given that almost all webapps run on JavaScript...
>The first HTML touch api came from apple... I did imply mobile web apps and javascript is not a plateform,it's a language. What you imply is as stupid as implying "X who created Assembly helped pave the way for mobile web apps."...sure... So Eich paved the way for Photoshop or Fireworks because they both run javascript? yeah right.
I see that Eich put up a small amount of money to support a bill against gay marriage. This says nothing about the way he treats people, or how he might serve as CEO. Is there something more, or is it really all about his political ideals?
Just the state that he doesn't believe in equality is enough for me.
what you mean is "he does'nt believe in the definition of equality as you believe it to be".
I believe that he should be penalized if he has demonstrated any hatred towards people in the workplace. I believe that a man is free to exercise his right to free speech in his private life, and this is what I deem it to be.
There is a reasonable fear that the gay employees may find themselves cornered under his leadership, and this was addressed in his letter and in the steps Mozilla took to assuage those fears.
Anything after this is a witch hunt, and folks taking up the pitchforks are the ones who have been affected the most. Its sad, but happens all the time.