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Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by snogglethorpe »

rdl wrote: post #3

I agree that mobile is critical to remaining relevant (along with security), two areas where Mozilla/Firefox have been pretty subpar. I don't think Eich has specific security or mobile expertise, but he is quite technical, which is a big improvement over a lot of potential CEOs, and I think a technical CEO is likely to prioritize security and mobile. (The whole "donate to prop 8" thing is a red herring; Mozilla needs…

> mobile is critical to remaining relevant (along with security), two areas where Mozilla/Firefox have been pretty subpar

"Subpar"?

I've used FF on my Android phone for quite a while, and find it nicer than chrome...

[I still try chrome occasionally, "just in case", but always end up ditching it and sticking with FF.]

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by desireco42 »

desireco42 wrote: post #37

This is stupid, he might not be the most charismatic leaders but he is genuine leader for organization like Mozilla, and other causes what he supports in his free time, I personally don't care, as it is not relevant.

And you who downvote should go out of the closet, it is not everything about gay rights, there is life beyond that

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by camus2 »

untog wrote: post #50
camus2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Questions about his mobile expertise seem misplaced, > considering that his technical contributions helped > pave the way for mobile web apps. How ? Apple in my opinion was the most influential actor regarding the development of mobile apps.The first HTML touch specific api came from apple... Apple defined what modern mobile apps means.

He did say mobile web apps, not mobile apps. And given that almost all webapps run on JavaScript...

     >The first HTML touch api came from apple...
I did imply mobile web apps and javascript is not a plateform,it's a language. What you imply is as stupid as implying "X who created Assembly helped pave the way for mobile web apps."...sure... So Eich paved the way for Photoshop or Fireworks because they both run javascript? yeah right.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by KuraFire »

mjn wrote: post #53
KuraFire wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…

> They are pretty mutually exclusive. I don't disagree per se, but do you apply this generally , disqualifying people with any expressed anti-egalitarian politics from leading a pro-egalitarian organization such as Mozilla? Would you apply a "no Randians" or "no libertarians" litmus test as much as a "no Christian fundamentalists" or "no social conservatives" test? In my opinion, the economic and social equality angl…

I agree that it can quickly become murky with certain things. As I said though, actions matter. Being a libertarian is a very different thing from donating $1000 to an anti-equal rights campaign.

If economic and social equality angles are of fairly equal relevance, then Eich shouldn't be CEO, because him being CEO puts the economic angle as significantly more important than the social equality one.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by [deleted] »

KuraFire wrote: post #40
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #32

This article links to an earlier WSJ piece that gives more information about Eich's background ( http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/24/mozilla-picks-insider... ). He invented Javascript in 1995, co-founded Mozilla, and helped start Firefox. It seems to me he's very well qualified from a historical as well as technical perspective. Questions about his mobile expertise seem misplaced, considering that his technical co…

It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…

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Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by KuraFire »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #60
KuraFire wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…

> but what’s mainly happening here is that it is simply a matter of bad judgement ... Only if you assume either that his position is so wrong that it could not be held by a reasonable person, or that he shouldn't speak or act on his position in any public way. I consider both of those assumptions to be highly suspect. > ... and people objecting to the appointment because he's unfit to lead an org like Mozilla That is…

You can be reasonable in many aspects and behaviors of your life, and be unreasonable in some that happen to matter more to the situation at hand.

I think it's pretty safe to say that thinking some of your employees are lesser human beings because they happen to not conform to your outdated view of sexuality, romance, and gender identity, is a pretty demonstrably unreasonable position.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by chillingeffect »

crassus wrote: post #54
KuraFire wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…

As a conservative-ish person in tech, I'm glad I made the decision to hide my politics beginning a few years ago. You people are vicious. I'd love to have an open debate or conversation, but that doesn't seem to be your game. Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. It's going to be a messy process and some people are going to disagree. That…

The vitriol is lame and so is the ratio of reaction to sustained belief, such as in the case of Oculus.

Who bought them again? oh yeah, facebook. Three days ago, it was a web-wide disaster. Now, they hired some famous tech guy (unknown to me, casual gamer here) and people can't be riled anymore.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by snogglethorpe »

davidgerard wrote: post #56
untog wrote: post #9

The choice of Eich as a CEO also made me wonder - they took a year to find a CEO, and ended up with their own CTO. Is it fair to assume that they searched long and hard but couldn't find anyone? If so, that's a real shame. I want Mozilla to succeed.

To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...

Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by desireco42 »

desireco42 wrote: post #37

This is stupid, he might not be the most charismatic leaders but he is genuine leader for organization like Mozilla, and other causes what he supports in his free time, I personally don't care, as it is not relevant.

I want to clarify my comment further, I am not aware that he did anything else but provide donation and I am absulutely for freedom of opinion and speech. To me this is not relevant enough nor as important as Mozilla and it's role in open source.
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