never heard of "mozillians" ..
Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
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#72never heard of "mozillians" ..
i guess "mozillans" sounds too much like "villain"
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#73This article links to an earlier WSJ piece that gives more information about Eich's background ( http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/24/mozilla-picks-insider... ). He invented Javascript in 1995, co-founded Mozilla, and helped start Firefox. It seems to me he's very well qualified from a historical as well as technical perspective. Questions about his mobile expertise seem misplaced, considering that his technical co…
Lots of people, including AFAICT a large chunk if not a majority if the tech community, consider same-sex marriage to be a human rights issue. To them, yes, it would be better if he had fought Prop 8, assuming they didn't just take it for granted.
Suppose he didn't oppose same-sex marriage per se, but opposed the way it was being implemented in California. Would he still be anti "human rights"? These issues are complex and people's beliefs and opinions can't always be distilled down to some simple, binary good/bad bit.
I'm opposed to mandatory integration of public schools and mandatory racial-based quota systems. Does that make me a racist? Some would say so, others would say not. I would vigorously argue not; I totally oppose racial discrimination and I believe that a blind meritocracy in the long run brings about real, permanent integration. So should I be locked out of a non-profit tech organization because of my views?
From what I've observed over the last couple of decades, the tech community hosts plenty of diverse political opinions, but generally with a serious streak of anti-authoritarianism. Do we want to now define the tech community as being on one side of any particular political or social issue? Is that a fair or healthy approach?
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…
As a conservative-ish person in tech, I'm glad I made the decision to hide my politics beginning a few years ago. You people are vicious. I'd love to have an open debate or conversation, but that doesn't seem to be your game. Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. It's going to be a messy process and some people are going to disagree. That…
No crowd's expression of political views (for any side) is to be trusted. Group-think leads to weird decision-making.
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#75Headline makes it seem like this is a resignation over a disapproval. The witch hunt is coming and they are getting out of the way. With this resignation they hope to avoid being targets. Similar things happened in Soviet bloc countries with the NKVD. Hell, similar things happened during all that McCarthyism crap... 'So we've heard you've donated to the Communist party several years back... you'd like to keep your job wouldn't you?'
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#76I see that Eich put up a small amount of money to support a bill against gay marriage. This says nothing about the way he treats people, or how he might serve as CEO. Is there something more, or is it really all about his political ideals?
Just the state that he doesn't believe in equality is enough for me.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...
Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?
Has he defended his support of a blatantly anti-gay measure? You cannot support hate groups and expect the world to just brush it off.
Edit - Found his response: https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...
Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?
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Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…
As a conservative-ish person in tech, I'm glad I made the decision to hide my politics beginning a few years ago. You people are vicious. I'd love to have an open debate or conversation, but that doesn't seem to be your game. Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. It's going to be a messy process and some people are going to disagree. That…
Crassus,
I accept your challenge to an open debate about how the government should endorse relations between consenting adults.
My view as of a couple years ago, which has changed somewhat, is freely available online under my legal name, Jordan Birnholtz. I hope this provides you an adequate starting point. I will even include it here so you do not have to search: http://www.michigandaily.com/content/viewpoint-divorce-marri...
How would you like to structure it and over what media?