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Heisenberg's Tesla - if it is doing something good, it has a driver. If it is doing something bad, it's autonomous.
Depends who's observing
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Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting
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Re: Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting
#102Cars block the street all the time, there is ample place to pass the waymo car on the left in the opposing lane, yet those SUV driving humans don't care to move out of the way either, and police just blocks the maneuver area too. That silver car in the front could also just pass in front and make space. Situational awareness has room to be improved for a lot of entities in this short video. Nueces Street is 3 and hal…
You can arrest a driver for not making space for an emergency vehicle. Who do we arrest here?
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Re: Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting
#103Cars block the street all the time, there is ample place to pass the waymo car on the left in the opposing lane, yet those SUV driving humans don't care to move out of the way either, and police just blocks the maneuver area too. That silver car in the front could also just pass in front and make space. Situational awareness has room to be improved for a lot of entities in this short video. Nueces Street is 3 and hal…
> there is ample place to pass
This is the same excuse a Prius driver would give whilst refusing to abdicate the HOV lane for an ambulance and yes I've sadly seen this scenario play out. Multiple times, in fact. Prius driver seems oddly specific but it always is.
Re: Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting
#104I was using Tesla Summon in my car parking lot. It had pulled out of the spot and started to turn to leave the spot when a truck entered the row. My Tesla couldn’t move because of the truck and I couldn’t do anything else so it was a deadlock. Normally if a person was caught in this situation they would have just parked back into the spot or reverse and straighten out but it had already started moving forward so I guess it just froze instead of reacting and there was no option to park back to get out of the way and unblock. Sure the truck could have pulled out but I think the guy was confused why the car was moving with someone in there and just stayed where he was.
Luckily the range of Summon isn’t very far so I ran over, apologized and took control of the car but it just goes to show how many real edge cases there are in real life and software can’t account for many of them.
Re: Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting
#105Cars block the street all the time, there is ample place to pass the waymo car on the left in the opposing lane, yet those SUV driving humans don't care to move out of the way either, and police just blocks the maneuver area too. That silver car in the front could also just pass in front and make space. Situational awareness has room to be improved for a lot of entities in this short video. Nueces Street is 3 and hal…
Give me a break. The problem is the Waymo that is blocking a lane sideways and is not pulling forward out of the way of the ambulance, a move that even the worst human drivers would likely know to do. It does no good to pretend there aren't problems with self-driving cars or make excuses. It's not about the other entities.
Why are we focusing on entity A when the parent comment correctly pointed out entities B and C are not blameless either?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>no one can be held liable when something goes wrong. No, at the very least tort laws still apply even if the driver is a corporation. Do you really need someone sitting in jail to satisfy your justice boner?
> No, at the very least tort laws still apply even if the driver is a corporation. Do they?
Corporations are person-like entities, so there’s a plausible argument to be made. The states seem loathe to be precedent-setters in triggering evaluations of this argument, though, so I don’t know of any supporting cases yet. Whoever’s first will see corporate tax revenue fall off a cliff once a corporation can be subjected to community service, so they have a lot of self-interest in not prosecuting these violations.
Re: Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting
#107The problem we will encounter with self driving cars is that while they will make less mistakes than humans, they will make different mistakes. Humans will continue to have a hard time accepting this tradeoff. I live in LA where Waymos are now on every street. My experience is that they don’t respect human courtesy, so for example if I need to cross a lane of busy traffic, a human may brake as a courtesy to let me th…
Humans will continue to have a hard time accepting this tradeoff. Are you asserting that humans should accept these, currently not fully known, tradeoffs?
Yes. They're safer than human drivers. Clearly the tradeoff is worth it.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Waymo's are not about to run a person or bicyclist over. This has only introduced more novel problems. People can completely immobilize the vehicles by standing in front of them, or placing a traffic cone. (And while this is kind of funny when done to unused vehicles to bother a multi-trillion dollar corporation. It is not funny when it's done to harass women.) This in turn spirals into a whole new set of political…
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Yeah, the last thing american roads need is vigilante "justice". Like drivers, not all that you see are bad. Although it is very easy to spot and fixate on the bad ones.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean cars being allowed to endanger human lives? Enshrined by law, urban infrastructure and cultural notions of independence for over a century? Why is it just now seen as a problem because robots are driving, instead of the stupid, reckless, poorly trained, often intoxicated humans who have been driving up until now?
Lol no, way to discuss something not mentioned - do you work at one of these reckless companies? I'm talking about self-driving legislation, written by those wanting to test on an unsuspecting public.
Whoever wrote the legislation has my vote for reelection. Anything to make roads safer.
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#110We continue to inch closer to these dumb buckets costing someone their life. Hell, they may already have.
The 'smart' buckets kill about 40K a year, so there's that. No point in abandoning this
Now there will be a single company to sue instead of lots of individuals. If you want to be rich, start a law firm that focuses on autonomous vehicle accidents, like all the truck crash firms out there.