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Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by mindslight »

advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

You've still got it a bit backwards. Websites should be the ones publishing content suitability headers. Those headers are then legally-significant assertions about the content on the site - the type of content, age/moderation policies, etc. Browsers then implement the device's configured policy based on what headers the site returns.

This requires locked down computing on the end device, but all of these proposals inherently do - otherwise a kid can always just install whatever software that sidesteps the restrictions, right? And leaving the responsibility on the device owners/makers only motivates secure boot, which is already pervasive on the most relevant devices - phones and tablets.

Your proposal puts liability directly onto websites themselves, regardless of the end user/device. This would push websites into demanding remote attestation, which is at the early days of being pushed (safetynet, wei, etc), and is the thing that is really primed to destroy general purpose computing. You know all those "verifying your device" followed by endless CAPTCHAs that are everywhere these days? Imagine that, on every site, and no way to get around it besides installing a genuine copy of either Windows 2028 or macOS 28 Pyongyang.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by deltoidmaximus »

agentifysh wrote: post #40

Curious, what is driving this "you need permission to use the internet" bills suddenly ? Really miss the old internet.

As wealth inequality and corruption based economic policies push people further and further into a corner the state will have a greater need to identify any nascent organization of political movements that threaten the status quo earlier so these can be strangled in their cribs.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by uncletscollie »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #72
giraffe_lady wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's right wing censorship plain and simple. Unfashionable to state this.

You weren’t around when Tipper Gore was raising the alarm about Ice T’s “Cop Killer” (now “ICE Killer” since he has been playing a cop on TV for a quarter century) or NWA and “F%%% the Police”

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by BillTthree »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #71

Serious question: why can't Meta, Google, and friends just decide not to serve Arizona? I get logistically it would be tough, but if they built that capability, they would have a very robust lever to pull anytime a government pulls this schtick. I would imagine the backlash from the people would fix this pretty quickly. This seems like one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations. I'd fully support bi…

what would those companies do with the infrastructure in AZ? serve clients in other states? I imagine the AZ legislature would have some levers they could pull to make those existing datacenters less effective or more costly to run.

Also because the companies are beholden to shareholders and their financial best interest. cutting off millions of clients to make a political statement is not in the companies best financial interest and would likely result in a shareholder lawsuit.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by uncletscollie »

rootusrootus wrote: post #59
iamnothere wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this particular bill is all R sponsors, current censorship efforts are bipartisan inside the US and even international in scope. The one ray of hope is that left and right can’t agree on what should be censored or how, or even what constitutes “censorship.”

IMO when both-sides-ing a debate, it would be helpful to provide more specific examples to support the claim. Especially when your first few words acknowledge the apparent one-sided nature.

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by BillTthree »

mghackerlady wrote: post #96
t1234s wrote: post #17

This is a bait-and-switch that will be used to roll in an internet ID for all people. I believe this is why M$ is trying to force people to log in to their local machines with a microsoft account.

In that case, we should build a new internet designed specifically to prevent this kind of behaviour and the slopification of the current internet. Let HTTP rot and build something a little less spartan than gemini but still resistant to slop. If anyone has the resources, my current idea is a p2p protocol for sharing some kind of markup that can do minimal styling and a client that doesn't need some kind of scripting…

http isn't the internet. al gore created a series of tubes, and other folks built protocols to share information through those tubes. http is one protocol

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by chneu »

rootusrootus wrote: post #59
iamnothere wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this particular bill is all R sponsors, current censorship efforts are bipartisan inside the US and even international in scope. The one ray of hope is that left and right can’t agree on what should be censored or how, or even what constitutes “censorship.”

IMO when both-sides-ing a debate, it would be helpful to provide more specific examples to support the claim. Especially when your first few words acknowledge the apparent one-sided nature.

Just look at the Senate votes for these bills/laws.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by uncletscollie »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #97
rootusrootus wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sometimes wonder how serious these sorts of sentiments are. Like, when you claim something easily disproven and openly partisan, do you know that and do it anyway, or is your internal dialog one of righteous outrage?

for example, go ahead and easily disprove that Twitter, Google, and Facebook had banned the sitting president of the United States in January 2021, simultaneously and voluntarily.

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by themafia »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #42
agentifysh wrote: post #40

Curious, what is driving this "you need permission to use the internet" bills suddenly ? Really miss the old internet.

It's right wing censorship plain and simple. Unfashionable to state this.

This isn't about ideology. This is about money and control.
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