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Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by KeepFlying »

tencentshill wrote: post #92
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

Having seen how students treat school-provided Chromebooks, those IO modules will get lost and damaged at light speed.

They're locked in my an internal screw. So they'll at least last a few days.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

skykooler wrote: post #97
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

Here's hoping that touchscreen becomes available as a component for the 13 as well.

The 12 inch screen is a different aspect ratio so it would be unlikely.

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Post by fragmede »

fragmede wrote: post #72
0x457 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CF can only handle static websites, I suspect the issue the store-backend side not being able to catch up.

I should still be able to click around the pages to browse the products, even if full cart functionality isn't there. Whoever is in charge of that website gets an L. For that matter, it makes me reconsider my hosting of things with Cloudflare. I know nothing about framework's site's configuration, but I know I don't want my site to have a waiting line like that. edit: also, the timer went down and then went back up,…

until the user logs in, the cart functionality is implanted client side with cookies, and incurs no db hit.

guess it's true what they say about hardware vs software. you gotta pick one to be good at, and the other is going to suffer for it, to varying degrees. (inb4 someone mentions Apple. Apple is a hardware company. Their software's alright but it's full of bugs and they're simply not as good as it as they are with hardware.)

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by TingPing »

Etheryte wrote: post #73

One interesting angle here could be if this had good compatibility with SteamOS to the point where it supported most/all the games the Steam Deck does. That would make it a very appealing offering, since right now DIY SteamOS setups are a pretty wild west.

Even if not official, it is perfect hardware for SteamOS and probably works out of the box.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

mywittyname wrote: post #76

Why this over a traditional ATX work station? The article even points out the motherboard will fit in an ATX case, so size doesn't seem to be the major selling point. For gaming specifically, so many micro ATX motherboards offer Gen 5 PCIe, which can handle a proper video card, double the RAM, and the smaller cases are only slightly larger than this Framework.

Is the audience truly gamers? Presumed this was just poor journalism from ars

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Post by sdwr »

perihelions wrote: post #42
ortusdux wrote: post #12

It looks like their event drove a lot of traffic towards frame.work - Cloudfare is giving me a 1hr 9min wait to access the site. https://i.imgur.com/twcxJjr.png

Here's a screenshot (WEBP 1452 x 16383) of the product page, for anyone who wants a glimpse at what's behind the Cloudflare wall: https://i.ibb.co/Y4n5Qhzm/framework.webp ( "Framework Desktop is a big computer made mini" )

Banana for scale!

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Post by TheRealPomax »

fragmede wrote: post #75
rdedev wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://youtu.be/-lErGZZgUbY The ceo kind of explains why in this video. In essence it seems to be a limitation of the chip from AMD

So don't make it then? If a particular vendor's product isn't in line with the company's mission, the CEO is the one to make the call to proceed with manufacturing. edit: it's not for me and I can totally just not buy one, but if one identified with their original mission and sees this as betrayal of that, it'd be hard to justify getting a framework laptop when it's their turn to upgrade.

If you're not the audience, you're not the audience. Don't buy it. But a whole bunch of folks will be interested in this, and it lets framework dip their toes in the "not laptops" market without going bankrupt over it.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

mywittyname wrote: post #76

Why this over a traditional ATX work station? The article even points out the motherboard will fit in an ATX case, so size doesn't seem to be the major selling point. For gaming specifically, so many micro ATX motherboards offer Gen 5 PCIe, which can handle a proper video card, double the RAM, and the smaller cases are only slightly larger than this Framework.

I could see myself going for something like this for gaming actually.

My gaming needs are pretty tame to the point that my current 3080Ti has been and remains overkill (usually 2+ year old titles @ 2560x1440), and as time has gone on I’ve come to value silence (which the FW Desktop seems good at, overcooling a laptop APU with a single fan desktop cooler) over raw power. In addition, the discrete GPU story continues to escalate to all-new levels of eye-wateringly expensive stupidity which makes me not want to buy any discrete GPU until Nvidia and AMD bring their prices back down to earth and that whole mess with the new Nvidia power connector is properly resolved, and that’s to say nothing about the unstoppable creep of GPU size, heat, and power consumption.

If I could sell my full size gaming tower and replace it with an effortlessly inaudible yet reasonably powerful air cooled SFF box, I might just do it. In all truth I could probably get by fine with this first gen Framework desktop, but it would make more sense to wait for a second or third gen where the APU's graphical power comes into the range of upper-tier RTX 3000 cards so I don’t need to use framegen as a crutch for decent framerates.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #28

It seems unframeworky Memory, CPU and GPU once piece of metal, sitting in a tiny box. A regular PC in a regular case, it a lot more modular and upgradable. It does seem like an interesting box, and matches against Apple Studio I would presume. Yet customers of Apple are used to having (near) 0 user modifiable parts. It might well have a good market, It might b a great box. It is unframeworky.

The mac studio uses apples upgradeable FU.2 NAND module interface.
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