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what is the pitch, because desktops don't have a problem with replacements, repairs etc.
It seems to be squaring up directly against the mac studio with its efficient APU and big memory bandwidth use cases with a cheaper price tag. At least that's the loose sense that I got based on their keynote.
New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12...
New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...
Up to 128 GB RAM available for running AI models. Theoretically awesome, but this might have some interesting market consequences for everyone else.
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Which should also be available from all the usual motherboard manufacturers. Possibly well before this one, since it doesn't ship until Q3.
Will it? I'm not aware of any other than the HP workstation. Maybe one or two of the Chinese mini PC manufacturers. But nothing you can buy as a mini-ITX motherboard.
Framework is great because they took an entshittified category and made a good and repairable product in it, upgradeable in a way the other vendors refused to enable. That was the laptop. Now they made a less repairable desktop PC. This brings nothing to the market. The soldered ram is particularly unacceptable. I get and believe that they could not make it work otherwise, but then they should have stopped the produc…
(The 32GB config is silly, though. With that little RAM, there is nothing it does better than a cheaper machine with a discrete GPU.)
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Imagine being able to swap components between their laptops and desktops! That would be pretty cool. Not sure how practically useful, but cool nonetheless.
You can do that with https://www.coolermaster.com/en-global/products/framework/ This announcement is bog standard mini-ITX.
what is the pitch, because desktops don't have a problem with replacements, repairs etc.
Memory, CPU and GPU once piece of metal, sitting in a tiny box.
A regular PC in a regular case, it a lot more modular and upgradable.
It does seem like an interesting box, and matches against Apple Studio I would presume.
Yet customers of Apple are used to having (near) 0 user modifiable parts.
It might well have a good market, It might b a great box. It is unframeworky.
Framework is great because they took an entshittified category and made a good and repairable product in it, upgradeable in a way the other vendors refused to enable. That was the laptop. Now they made a less repairable desktop PC. This brings nothing to the market. The soldered ram is particularly unacceptable. I get and believe that they could not make it work otherwise, but then they should have stopped the produc…
There's no other way to get 256 GB/s of memory bandwidth for this cheap, and that's quite valuable in many workloads. I'm curious to get one for compiling code too. You can get similar bandwidth with server boards that cost 5-10x as much, or with a Mac Studio that costs 2.5x as much.
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Will it? I'm not aware of any other than the HP workstation. Maybe one or two of the Chinese mini PC manufacturers. But nothing you can buy as a mini-ITX motherboard.
Of course you will. Asus et al have heard the buzz, have the connections, and can spin up a product far quicker than the 5-9 or months before Strix Halo is available.