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Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by xarope »

xk_id wrote: post #83
snapplebobapple wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Novamin works wonders. It took me the last 30% of the way to not being sensitive to heat/cold/acid.i got about 20% there with just normal sensodyne toothpaste and another big chunk with vitamin k complex and vitamin d supplementation (this took about six months to be really noticeable). The order was dictated by me figuring out what i wanted to try and general availability in the case of novamin. So i cant really say…

For the record, the only clinical evidence about Novamin is very vague.

Just try it for a week. The glassiness feeling it imparts to your teeth is real.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by orangepurple »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #46
xk_id wrote: post #42

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I’m not OP or american, but i can comment. >1,500ppm concentration of fluoride is prescription only (so you either pay for a pointless dentist visit or get it on the grey market), despite being safe and much more effective at remineralisation. There are also experimental ingredients such as nanohydroxyapatite and Novamin which are difficult to find on the american market due to the FDA

IME high fluoride can agitate the digestive system, so perhaps the limit is for good reason?

Don't swallow the toothpaste!

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by dhbanes »

vallismortis wrote: post #97

Twenty years ago, I moved from Michigan (a state that uses fluoride) to Mississippi (a state that doesn't use fluoride). My dentist at the time told me that I was going to end up with tooth decay if I stayed down there for more than a few years. Sure enough, five years later I moved back to Michigan and ended up with a cavity in an unusual place. My (new) dentist in Michigan was completely unsurprised. He said there…

I think the fact that fluoride is beneficial to your teeth is a settled fact. However, the issue being discussed is fluorides impact on brain health.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by olodus »

sunk1st wrote: post #82
jcfrei wrote: post #68

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Not sure if you are trolling but are you alluding that the US population has healthier teeth? The "difference you see" is most likely just the much more widespread usage of bleaching in the US (which actually worsens the health of your teeth).

Preventative dental care in the US is a thing. Have you lived in Europe? It’s not really a thing in the EU.

Do you have a reference for that? I'm from Sweden and I can definitely say preventive dental care is a huge thing here. I felt your statement sounded weird so I googled around. DMFT seems to be one index used to rank countries oral health, which is produced by WHO. In that ranking several European countries beat or sit at US levels. Do you only mean eastern Europe?

This links to OECDs compilation of WHOs data, was easier to get the overview from imo: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/health_glance-2009-1...

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by throwaway2037 »

yeeeloit wrote: post #30
epgui wrote: post #24

As a biochemist, this seems to be a very complex issue that has been unnecessarily politicized. What happened with this report is interesting in and of itself, but I would not draw any conclusions (or make any inferences) from this, frankly.

As someone who comes from an area with clean fresh water, that does not contain added fluoride, this is not a complex issue. It's simply not a question that comes up. People have good dental hygiene here. To my mind, yes sure you can over complicate the entire debate, but all of that is irrelevant in the face of these basic points: - Is there a chance that fluoride ingestion could be detrimental to human health? - Ca…

    They irony of all this is that if you want to buy good quality toothpaste you are forced to import it from overseas, due to the FDA limiting ingredients in toothpaste.
I never heard such a thing. Can you be more specific? Plus you can buy Darlie toothpaste in most Chinatown's around the world, even if unapproved by local dental orgs.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by makeitdouble »

ricardobeat wrote: post #34
esperent wrote: post #22

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It's in other products instead. I think it depends on the country, but usually salt and toothpaste. I don't think there are any developed countries that have stopped fluoridation entirely.

Only two countries, Germany and Switzerland, have fluoridated salt.

France has some too, but it always was an option for those who care and not a default. As such it's clearly labelled and marketed (same for iode and other additives)

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by throwaway290 »

vallismortis wrote: post #97

Twenty years ago, I moved from Michigan (a state that uses fluoride) to Mississippi (a state that doesn't use fluoride). My dentist at the time told me that I was going to end up with tooth decay if I stayed down there for more than a few years. Sure enough, five years later I moved back to Michigan and ended up with a cavity in an unusual place. My (new) dentist in Michigan was completely unsurprised. He said there…

And since oral hygiene seems to be linked to eg. Alzheimers (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/264164) and flouride seems to be indispensable oral hygiene thing the issue is not so straightforward...

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by ux-app »

xupybd wrote: post #96
yeeeloit wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who comes from an area with clean fresh water, that does not contain added fluoride, this is not a complex issue. It's simply not a question that comes up. People have good dental hygiene here. To my mind, yes sure you can over complicate the entire debate, but all of that is irrelevant in the face of these basic points: - Is there a chance that fluoride ingestion could be detrimental to human health? - Ca…

My wife comes from a country that did not add fluoride to the water. She has very good dental hygiene but here teeth are not in good shape for her age. That's one data point that I have observed.

>That's one data point that I have observed.

As with many things genetics plays a big part.

I neglected going to the dentist for 15 years and take just ok care of my teeth (brush at least once per day, don't floss).

I was expecting bad news, lots of cavities, but my teeth are perfect. After some plaque removal, not a single cavity.

Asked the dentist about this, he shrugged and just said "genetics".

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