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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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I’ve always thought it to be the reverse, since the west has the whole world at their disposal (in terms of audience and technology penetration)

Ever bought something you believed was Made in Japan but found out later it was actually Made in China ?

I don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.

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> history of being woke? Define this in a way we could pattern-match against their behavior?

The word is pretty mainstream (at least in western countries) now. Check Urban Dictionary. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke

your going to have to clarify, there is no consensus to be found in your link:

* The act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue

* Deluded or fake awareness.

* When you look at the simplest thing and call it racist because you want black people to be victims. Other minorities don't matter. - a black conservative

* "Wokeness" occurs when a white, upper-class person pretends to hold opinions they imagine a black lower-class person might hold

* To be asleep and uncritically accept whatever nonsense social science professors dream up to advance Marxist goals. As with most liberal speak the meaning of the word is the opposite of the word's standard meaning.

* "Being completely deranged, hysterical and seeing racism/oppression in virtually everything."

* being aware of the social. and political environments regarding all demographics and socio-economic standings.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

> Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy.

100% - but such a sentence also needs to come with a disclaimer explaining that it doesn't mean the CCP regime isn't guilty of killing millions of its own people over the years and that any ideology or technology they export needs to be viewed as such.

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> I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel. Is this feasible? There's not all that many other options for x86

I doubt it. China is not there yet w.r.t. semiconductor independence. There are people who say, buy AMD, but AMD is also subject to US laws... So what will happen instead? From what I've seen so far, China is careful with counterattacking US because they know the US is stronger. I think the govt will just issue an angry statement but do nothing concrete internationally, while continuing their domestic efforts of semi…

They will choose AMD because AMD doesn't make this statement clear but Intel explicitly mentions "Xinjiang" in its annual supplier letter. I guess AMD did take this factor into consideration.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

>If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non-US-aligned media sources. Here's an official Chinese government source defending the use of labour/"re-education" camps in Xinjiang: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201903/19/WS5c9033f0a3106c65c... . In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

> In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

In past the Chinese government did send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

Tibetans - since 1957

Mongols - since its first years

Miao/Yao - 1982

Koreans - Koreans Chinese were routinely rounded up every time NK-China affairs were flaring up since seventies

And Uighurs were in, and out of concentration/extermination camps many times already in the past. In 1949, 1967, 1976, 1991, 1998

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> Intel, which has 10,000 employees in China, said in its apology that it "respected the sensitivity of the issue in China." This reminds me of a recent British politics round-table interview, where a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - becaus…

> a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - because it would undermine people's faith in the political system that keeps lying to them. I didn’t follow the event, but I have to agree with whoever said that. There’s nothing more toxic to democracy…

What's toxic to democracy is politicians lying, and then telling us that p;ointing out their moments of hypocrisy is what's doing the real damage. Describing reality is never bad.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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So Intel saying "forced labour bad, mkay" is bad. After facing ban saying 'is not how we feel about it". Really? Mhm, mkay. Not sure what is worse now. Getting WW2 IBM vibes now kind of. This is like calling for global boycott. Come on Intel, we know you can do better

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>China Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation. Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted. This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

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>Intel joined other prominent U.S. companies Monday pledging to do more to address systemic racism in the wake of the killing of an African-American man, George Floyd, by a police officer in Minneapolis. >“Black lives matter. Period,” CEO Bob Swan wrote in a memo to employees Monday, embracing the rallying cry of contemporary civil rights activists. “While racism can look very different around the world, one thing th…

It is the same as when Western branches of various multinational corporations redesign their logos in rainbow colors for the Pride month, but their Middle Eastern branches do not ... offending Islam or the CCP comes with enough downsides to make them think twice. I think the best default way how to view corporations is "perfectly immoral psychopathic beings always heeding the current Zeitgeist for maximum profit and…

I believe this has happened exactly once, and it's already widely known:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China#2010–2016:_Giving...

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