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Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by MrApathy »

ramphastidae wrote: post #51
blitzar wrote: post #35

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> the squat, flat 'sedan' body style of all their other cars seems very out of date these days In the non american world, where "trucks" are not a daily commuter, a sedan is not out of date . Nor is a hatchback, nor is a ferrari. The family wagon, truck and hybrid truck/suv have been an out of date style for the last 50 years in the developed world.

SUVs have not been around for 50 years …

But they have!

The Ford Bronco was introduced in 1965. The Jeep Cherokee arrived in 1974. I remember seeing a lot of them as a kid, though if I had to pinpoint the start of the SUV craze, it would probably be closer to 1990 when the Ford Explorer first came to market.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by GDC7 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #100
GDC7 wrote: post #93

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> is worth 1.1 Trillion dollars That's the reason why it's a systemic risk. When the financial value of something and the real value diverge so much...people rage will mount when inevitably the financial value collapses back to the real value. People wanted Ballmer's head for keeping things together and allow the real value of Microsoft to catch up with the financial value which was so elevated at the height of the d…

You said it was a scam and now instead of actually explaining that hyperbolic statement you are ignoring it and now saying "system risk" and throwing in irrelevant nonsense. Tesla isn't going anywhere whether you like them or not and they aren't even staying in silicon valley. Saying they are a scam is nonsense and saying silicon valley will "end" is nonsense.

> You said it was a scam and now instead of actually explaining that hyperbolic statement you are ignoring it and now saying "system risk" and throwing in irrelevant nonsense.

It's your 101 financial scam where the CEO aims to divorce his net worth from the real life impact of the company he is at the helm of.

Again he's doing so using your 101 deceit techniques such as empty promises, constant stock pumping, cult of personality and UsvThem mentality and creative accounting.

It's Enron all over again.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by bmitc »

DeathArrow wrote: post #54
bmitc wrote: post #22

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I've surmised for a while that it's simply impossible, sans magic, for Tesla to have supposedly surpassed other car manufacturers when those other car manufacturers have decades of experience honing their designs for reliability and quality. I've said many times that my Kia has better quality feel than any Tesla I've been in.

What Kia do you own?

Optima SXL

If I was in the market for a new electric car, I'd definitely be considering the Kia EV6. Which supports the point I've made before that I seriously doubt Tesla can compete with other manufacturers' ability to spin up reliable and quality new models.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by JeremyNT »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #88
hn8788 wrote: post #55

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I think it's because people who buy a Tesla are fans of Tesla, so the well known reliability issues aren't a problem to them. They aren't buying a Tesla for practical reasons like affordability and reliability, they're buying a Tesla because they want to own a Tesla. It's the same as people who buy poorly made expensive designer clothes and accessories.

Helping move away from petro-powered transportation is a huge incentive for a lot of people. And it's not like Teslas are terrible or have a worse driving experience than other cars. There is a reason that every single electric car made by anyone is sold far in advance, including non-Teslas where charging on road trips is still a sub par experience.

> Helping move away from petro-powered transportation is a huge incentive for a lot of people.

If somebody was serious about this as their primary motivator, they'd buy a much more reliable / affordable vehicle like the Bolt or Leaf.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

dredmorbius wrote: post #30
bmitc wrote: post #26

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The Reuters article mentions this: > Electric vehicle drive systems, or powertrains, are not the main source of problems, Fisher said. The issues reported by owners are with other features. > Manufacturers "are using EVs as a technological test bed," Fisher said. "Those are the things that go wrong." That's instability leading to poor reliability.

I can see that. I still don't think it's a good word choice. If it's about the predictability of a given vehicle's projected maintenance requirements, use unreliability . If it's about the excessive technology leading to unreliability, maybe discuss complexity . And if it's about a quality record of the manufacturer which changes markedly over time, discuss variability or inconsistency . But I'd expect instability in…

I think you're right about stability being a poor term here. The term as applied in this case is actually an implicit analogy.

A "stable marriage", for example, is conceptually stable in the same way a plane or car is physically stable.

To then take that analogous usage form and re-apply it back to where the actual, original meaning makes more sense, is indeed confusing.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #91
GDC7 wrote: post #85

When the Tesla scam finally folds, it could be the end of Silicon Valley. Also coupled with the potential sentence of Elizabeth Holmes

You realize that Tesla is moving their headquarters to Austin, is worth 1.1 Trillion dollars, outsells all of their competitors combined in certain categories, Silicon Valley is just a label given to a certain area and can't "end" and Theranos is already a failed company right? What you are saying seems more like a line out of a comic book than something that has matches reality in any way.

> Tesla ... is worth 1.1 Trillion dollars

Well that's just it, isn't it? Their book value is closer to 0.027 Trillion dollars. Beyond that is faith. The value of a thing is worth what someone's willing to pay for it, and that willingness changes.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by CyberDildonics »

GDC7 wrote: post #102
CyberDildonics wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said it was a scam and now instead of actually explaining that hyperbolic statement you are ignoring it and now saying "system risk" and throwing in irrelevant nonsense. Tesla isn't going anywhere whether you like them or not and they aren't even staying in silicon valley. Saying they are a scam is nonsense and saying silicon valley will "end" is nonsense.

> You said it was a scam and now instead of actually explaining that hyperbolic statement you are ignoring it and now saying "system risk" and throwing in irrelevant nonsense. It's your 101 financial scam where the CEO aims to divorce his net worth from the real life impact of the company he is at the helm of. Again he's doing so using your 101 deceit techniques such as empty promises, constant stock pumping, cult of…

That's not a scam, that's you being upset at Tesla's stock price. You said Tesla would fold and silicon valley would end and what you really meant was "I'm frustrated with people buying into hype on twitter".

This seems like the same old pattern of being hyperbolic to get attention, then walking everything back or ignoring what you actually said once someone replies to you.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by GDC7 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #107
GDC7 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You said it was a scam and now instead of actually explaining that hyperbolic statement you are ignoring it and now saying "system risk" and throwing in irrelevant nonsense. It's your 101 financial scam where the CEO aims to divorce his net worth from the real life impact of the company he is at the helm of. Again he's doing so using your 101 deceit techniques such as empty promises, constant stock pumping, cult of…

That's not a scam, that's you being upset at Tesla's stock price. You said Tesla would fold and silicon valley would end and what you really meant was "I'm frustrated with people buying into hype on twitter". This seems like the same old pattern of being hyperbolic to get attention, then walking everything back or ignoring what you actually said once someone replies to you.

> That's not a scam

It's a scam. Tesla FSD/Autopilot or whatever they call it is the same thing as Theranos blood test.

On top of that you have some other 10-15 avenues of crime, including the creative accounting , the constant lying , the securities fraud, the violent threats to whistleblowers, the rampant drug usage on the factory floor..shall I continue?

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by gwern »

wcoenen wrote: post #40
KennyBlanken wrote: post #28

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Here's a fun fact about the Model 3: the interior design is so incompetent, you can destroy the window if you open a door "wrong." https://youtu.be/14ZYknJQ8F0?t=35 TLDR: the frameless window "tucks in" under the trim of the roof/roof pillar and car has to drop the window slightly before it releases the latch. In case of failure of any of the stuff necessary for that to happen (and there are a lot of things necessary…

For what it is worth: I don't own a Tesla but I've accidentally used that lever when I was in one. It did not shatter the window. It only triggered a warning on the display about not opening the door that way because it could cause damage.

"It only triggered a warning on the display about not opening the door that way because it could cause damage."

That makes me think worse of the design, not better, that it is so common but they chose to patch around it with a user nag instead of fixing the design.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by CyberDildonics »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #106
CyberDildonics wrote: post #91

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You realize that Tesla is moving their headquarters to Austin, is worth 1.1 Trillion dollars, outsells all of their competitors combined in certain categories, Silicon Valley is just a label given to a certain area and can't "end" and Theranos is already a failed company right? What you are saying seems more like a line out of a comic book than something that has matches reality in any way.

> Tesla ... is worth 1.1 Trillion dollars Well that's just it, isn't it? Their book value is closer to 0.027 Trillion dollars. Beyond that is faith. The value of a thing is worth what someone's willing to pay for it, and that willingness changes.

Tesla's market cap is 1.1 Trillion dollars.

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/TSLA:NASDAQ

You can debate the rest with other people, I'm talking about the current state of reality.

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