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Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Of course he doesn't, as it's complete nonsense.

Chinese mouthpiece paid US newspapers $19 mn in ads, printing: https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/chin... Please refrain from reactionary insults like calling chrissnell's comment "nonsense." It's in poor taste even if you're supported by others who don't bother to perform even cursory research.

chrissnell claims the NYT etc accepted money to spike stories. Your story doesn't validate his claim.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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I've thought a bit about this article and here's the important points of the story that I see, with an analysis at the end: 1. He used to be a student at the swiss university (call it SGU) 2. His research is about climate change, he goes to china to do his PhD and further his knowledge and study of it, falls in love with a Chinese girlfriend (he's anonymous in the article because of, according to him, repercussions b…

This aligns very closely to my understanding of the issue. I think the key missing piece here is the content of the offensive political cartoon.

Out of curiosity I went looking for Taiwan and HK political cartoons. The first hit I found was:

https://twitter.com/hkguy1988/status/1294855101631180806/pho...

Now, I want to be clear: I have no idea if this is the actual cartoon in question, but I could see it being criticized in all ways the mystery cartoon in question is criticized, while also being fodder to someone who is deeply frustrated with the PRC government w.r.t. its handling of SARS-CoV-2 and has no particular bones to pick in the domain of anti-Chinese racism.

So, yeah, in terms of this individuals experience and treatment, I think it's critical to know what the comic was. Especially, if we're going to choose not to trust the judgement of the publisher that this person had been treated unfairly.

The details of this series of incidents notwithstanding, I believe that The West needs to come to a consensus about how to deal with PRC influence on scholarly thought and debate. Further, I expect we're going to have to come to terms with it being costly to do so, with international subsidies being required to ensure no aligned institution is forced to compromise its scholarly criticism for survival.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Lol, it's German. There is no Swiss language. We speak German, French, Italian and Romansch here.

People who speak German regularly dont understand Swiss German as it is different.

I never had a problem when I went to Switzerland. My German isn’t even fluent

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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> Als seine Freundin einige der Tweets sieht, ist sie schockiert. Sie bittet ihn am Telefon, damit aufzuhören. Nicht weil sie bei allem anderer Meinung wäre. Sondern weil sie sich vor Repressionen der chinesischen Regierung fürchtet. «Ich bin in der Schweiz, nicht in China», antwortet er. «Hier kann ich sagen, was ich will.» Translation: When his girlfriend saw some of his tweets she's aghast. She's asking him on the…

What bothers me about this whole ordeal is the fact that the Chinese gov seems to keep a watch on pretty much anyone's social media it seems. This guy supposedly had like 10 to 20 followers, and the tweet in question was only a reply. It reminds me of the time when some athlete (if my memory serves me right) expressed sympathy with HK protests, and was made to apologize to the Chinese gov. But this guy is much less k…

You know we do.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Talk about the Streisand Effect... [0] There were less than 10 people following or presumably reading Gerber's tweets. Now 10 million+ people will read them. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Oliver Gerber is not a real name, it would be not trivial to find his twitter account. Not quite impossible too, but still too much hassle for most people (myself included).

Why it's not a real name?

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Of course he doesn't, as it's complete nonsense.

Chinese mouthpiece paid US newspapers $19 mn in ads, printing: https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/chin... Please refrain from reactionary insults like calling chrissnell's comment "nonsense." It's in poor taste even if you're supported by others who don't bother to perform even cursory research.

Meanwhile the NYT published an article on the lab leak theory by the same author that published the 2003 article on Iraq's WMDs (co-author with Judith Curry) that helped push us into war.

And I don't have to dig into anything financial to find that, its sitting there staring at you right on the byline.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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“ The Daily Caller first reported the multimillion-dollar expenditures on June 8, based on an 86-page Justice Department filing dated June 1.” [0] https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/08/chinese-propaganda-china-... [1] https://efile.fara.gov/docs/3457-Amendment-20200601-2.pdf

The FARA source doesn't support your conclusion here, which leaves the Daily Caller, which is a white supremacist rag that Tucker Carlson puts out. In other words, you have no evidence to support this.

We have evidence that the Chinese Communist Party has made substantial "advertising" payments to the New York Times, Washington Post, Twitter, the Seattle Times, the Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribute, Sun Sentinel. The evidence of payments may not confirm the conclusion, but it certainly supports it.

In any case, I'll be submitting your declaration to the Daily Caller, so you can truly stand behind it.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Source: Adrian Zenz or some other US military industrial complex sponsored think-tank like ASPI [1]. Very reliable, trust me, you can trust them. [1] https://www.aspi.org.au/sponsors

Nope but nice diversion. Clearly I triggered a filter looking for propaganda keywords. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide wikipedia is blocked in china. Please refute the 477 sources at the bottom of the page individually. The holocaust happened, the Uyghur genocide is still happening.

Now this is a really interesting statement, ompaLompa, given that you pretty much never wrote anything and only activated on my comment against the US state propaganda.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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If I'm an employee at a company and post something like that on Twitter, nobody should be surprised if I suddenly find myself in the unemployment line because (perhaps unbeknownst to me) my company was right in the middle of closing a big deal with a Chinese company. Not saying it's morally correct, but those are the dynamics in play here. A university is an organization, and while the incentives and financial struct…

As long as it's not clearly hateful, universities typically allow greater freedom of expression than you normally get in a commercial organization, because the ability to criticize the zeitgeist and common sense belief is critical to the development of the arts & sciences. Of course, there is typically a tension between allowing academic freedom and pleasing whoever holds the purse strings. University administrations…

We’re not talking about criticizing anything; the tweet was racist.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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After reading the English version of the article [0] shared by others in this thread, this look like the adviser has (rightfully or not) panicked and distanced herself from the PhD student (Gerber). The adviser, in her first email, mentions «angry emails from China», but then, when the journalist contacts her, she only refers to a single email from a Chinese doctoral student from Canada.

> The writer [of the email] accuses Gerber of a «racist attack on the Chinese people.» He was referring to a specific tweet: a cartoon that Gerber had posted in response to another user's tweet. It depicted a comic character that had been altered and had stereotyped Chinese features, with yellow skin tone and slit eyes.

> The professor's first email clearly shows that she feared she would no longer be able to obtain a Chinese visa because of Gerber's tweets.

> In the early summer of 2020, Gerber decided to abandon the legal effort. He said he didn't complete the enrollment application because he couldn't find a new adviser: «There was no other professor in the same department with whom I could have finished my work. Changing topics would have meant starting from scratch again after three and a half years. That was out of the question for me.»

The article clearly sides with Gerber on the issue, but I don't think an adviser can be forced to work with a specific PhD candidate. On the other hand, I think this is an important debate:

> [...] Gerber's case demonstrates that China's aggressive foreign policy can in fact influence how academics in Switzerland publicly express themselves, and how they deal with critical comments from their students. It shows that some researchers are willing to restrict their own and others’ activities in order to avoid upsetting China.

[0] https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot...

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