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Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Reminds me of that case, in France too, in which a Malian immigrant has been offered citizenship and a job as a firefighter after he risked his life climbing a building to save a kid: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-hero/france-offers...

While it’s not uncommon to give citizenship for helping the country (notably by spilled blood in the légion étrangère), this particular case is widely thought to be a staged event. A lot of things are really really strange, for instance how a small kid arrived in this position (some French scientists ruled it impossible), why the man who is holding him from the balcony don’t save it directly, why no investigation hav…

looks like it also worked! enjoy the EU citizenship

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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This is like asking why ethnically African people have a greater right to Africa than non-African people. Sounds dumb doesn't it?

You're looking at it from the wrong point of view. France's colonies were, unlike Britian treated as part of france. That meant all of these areas in blue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire#/media/... are french, with the entire population being french citizens. So this means that someone who is algerian could have french parents, but not be eligible for french citizenship. However if I as an EU ci…

Only Algeria was actually part of France, the rest had different statuses. Locals definitely did not have french citizenship, not even in Algeria (they had an intermediate partial citizenship)

Also, anyone with (at least one) French parent, is eligible to citizenship.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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To be fair, this fast track should be the norm. The naturalisation process is insanely long intentionally.

It seems rather lax already, to be honest. France requires five years of residency, the ability to speak French, and a basic understanding of French culture and civics. That really seems like the bare minimum for the state to take on a lifetime, irrevocable responsibility for a prospective immigrant.

well that the theorical rules, in practice things can vary wildly. expescially on which prefecture/department you have to apply from.

As another commenter said the time can be reduced to 2 year before you can apply but that doesn't mean much. From personal experience, I've been living in france for about 8 years now and everytime I have to deal with immigration services it can be a nightmare.

here is one: after arriving when my visa comme close to an end by a few month I aplied to get a 1 year residency card, I got that card 2 years later just before I got my first diploma.

every 3 months I would have to go to the prefecture at 6/7AM wait outside in the cold only to be told every now and then at 4pm sorry you're not going to pass today try again tommorow. why did I have to go every 3 month? well to give that the exact same papers I gave them the time before, If you didn't have them on you that day because you didn't think you would need to have a copy of the papers you've already given well that too bad for you. after 1year and a half of this, the person with whom I was having the apointement asked by I was here because apparently they can't find my folder. expect I have in my hand a document from this same prefecture aknowledging that I deposited my document and that I can legally stay for the next 3 months (and copies of the previous ones), of course I had to give them on the stop every document they needed or go back and wait for another apointement where you would have to explai the situation once a gain. this meant that every time I had to go to the prefecture I had a backpack on my back with every document I had on my house that I thought could remotly be relevant, because the official list of require documents is for indicative purposes only and they can ask you for a lot more on case to case basis.

second anecdote, if you have a foreign driving living from a country with which france has an agreement with. you have exchange it for a french one once you start working withing the limit of 1 year. At the time I had to the only way to do it is by getting an apointement online, expect the website to get the apointement form is closed, it opne for less than 5 min while crashing continully on a sunday at midnight, after trying for I few month I sent emails explaining the situation -> no reponse and went in person to the prefecture only to be told sorry that's not our problem and was given no clue on how to try to fix this. thanks to covid the process for converting driving licenses is now fully online, I aplied when they first announced this beginning of last summer, I'm still waiting for any news positive or negative.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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As someone who has some (immigrant) friends which try/tried to get a foothold in Germany usually the opposite is the norm: You can do everything by the book, be the perfect citizen and in the and you are thanked by daily racism and a bureaucratic maze. To have the strength to stay a good person through all of that is a big achievement. This is why I think showing as a society doing things the right way counts. This i…

A glass is seen as either half full or half empty. All that can be perceived as racist is not necessarily so. There could be a number of reasons for unpleasant outcomes, none more likely than the other.

Terrible oversimplification. It's extremely difficult to determine what negative action is motivated by racism and which isn't.

If you're not generally at risk of experiencing racism (ie. you are of the majority ethnic group), of course it is easy to rule out. It's hardly a glass half empty/half full type of problem.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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The US has the largest immigrant population in the world and one of the highest immigration rates among developed countries. I resent how casually blatantly false anti-US comments like this get voted up without any data to back them up, almost like it's a fad to talk-down America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_Stat...

Using absolute numbers probably isn't the smartest idea. Canada has more immigrants per population than USA.

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Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Yeah but you are missing the essential part of the french empire: you're french. So most of north africa has french ancestors.

Under this logic, everyone in Britain has Italian ancestors.

I'd like to claim Huns citizenship, please.

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Absolute numbers seems legitimate. The US per capita immigration rate is largely the result of the high absolute number of immigrants taken in over US history.

Absolute numbers are heavily dependent on country size and most countries are tiny. Vatican City at the extreme end is formed 100% from immigrants, but has a tiny and self limiting population.

The Vatican is not a migrant friendly destination, despite being made up entirely of immigrants. If I were to try and migrate I would try to migrate to the States. All of a few hundred people worldwide are trying to migrate to the Vatican.

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post #89

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Looks like I've upset the anti-Semites again. Israel is fundamentally different to Europe. It is a safe harbour to combat millennia of racial oppression and violence. It must remain Jewish or our identity will be erased. Europe has and will continue to benefit immensely from diversity and multiculturalism, and we must be actively working to break down the barriers to a positive demographic transformation. Enforcing h…

> It must remain Jewish or our identity will be erased. Splendid, so this does not apply to European identity and culture? If the unlimited immigration that you demand happens in Europe, we'll have Islamic states in no time. I'm sure that'll be totally fine and beneficial for Israel... The inconsistencies are mind boggling.

I recognise the benefits of diversity and I'm excited by the prospect of a more vibrant and multicultural experience that this natural migration will enable across Europe. All I'm "demanding" is that white supremacists are no longer allowed to oppose this through outdated xenophobic institutions, including contrived citizenship requirements.

Fortunately, most European governments and the EU share this view and have taken bold steps to ensuring a future where Europe is for everyone. I would love this process to be accelerated so that I may see it in my lifetime, but I'm humbled that, by current trends, a "European" minority will be realised in many of these countries by the end of the century.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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post #17

So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this... Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.

France did that during WW1 and WW2 they fought that war mostly with North Africans specially Algerians and rewarded them with genocides.

> rewarded them with genocides

That is a strong claim. Any evidence to back it up?

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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There needs to be a balance. Unlimited immigration is unsustainable (Europe can’t support 3bn people), so there have to be some limits. Also, I value my culture (not in the “food & language” sense, but in “enlightenment values” sense), and have no interest in admitting more people who don’t value or respect this culture. Finally, you need to correctly read the situation. Most pro-immigration people support it to lowe…

Three billion people in the current European Union would be 68 people per square km, about as dense as Mexico or Ukraine. As far as culture goes immigrants assimilate. By the third generation it’s rare to actually be able to speak the language of their ancestors. Catholic immigrants to the US were feared as agents of Rome. Now the average American Catholic has a Protestant conception of what religion is, they’re so m…

Just because it's theoretically possible to fit 3bn people in Europe doesn't mean the Europeans should want to do it.
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