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Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.

This isn't really true. There have been a few isolated cases of former members of the armed services who were convicted of a felony being deported. I don't agree with that happening either but to say they are regularly deported just isn't true.

If you serve in the armed forces and don't commit crimes, and apply for citizenship you will most likely get it.

Also the US accepts alot more immigrants than Japan, China, and many other countries.

Most of the complaints about immigration come down to this, there is much more demand than "supply".

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this...

Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this... Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.

This is like asking why ethnically African people have a greater right to Africa than non-African people. Sounds dumb doesn't it?

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.

The US has the largest immigrant population in the world and one of the highest immigration rates among developed countries. I resent how casually blatantly false anti-US comments like this get voted up without any data to back them up, almost like it's a fad to talk-down America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_Stat...

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.

The US has the largest immigrant population in the world and one of the highest immigration rates among developed countries. I resent how casually blatantly false anti-US comments like this get voted up without any data to back them up, almost like it's a fad to talk-down America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_Stat...

That is in spite of immigration policy, not because of it.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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post #4

The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.

> regularly deport them for what reasons?

Crime will do it

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this... Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.

France did that during WW1 and WW2 they fought that war mostly with North Africans specially Algerians and rewarded them with genocides.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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post #11

The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.

This isn't really true. There have been a few isolated cases of former members of the armed services who were convicted of a felony being deported. I don't agree with that happening either but to say they are regularly deported just isn't true. If you serve in the armed forces and don't commit crimes, and apply for citizenship you will most likely get it. Also the US accepts alot more immigrants than Japan, China, an…

I can't vouch for everything about Japan's immigration policy, nor do I have first-hand experience with the US system. But despite Japan intaking a lot less, people who meet the "baseline requirements" (basically, college degree) can be consistently assured that they can get a work visa and not get arbitrarily kicked out of the country.

Similarly, even the smallest companies (like miniscule, 5-people startups) are able to get visas for people who meet the college degree requirement with basically no issue.

Also, they don't tie your work visa to your employer[1], so you don't get indentured servitude or the threat of getting kicked out of the country after being fired.

Meanwhile I have heard countless horror stories from many people trying to do even the most basic stuff when it comes to immigration in the US. And it sure sounds like you are, at a basic level, treated like a suspicious person who might be a criminal.

You can say "oh look at the numbers" but I have heard roughly zero positive things about the American immigration experience. And (what I think is the most important thing), I have heard many stories about the opacity and randomness of the American bureaucracy.

And, you know what? Most countries _don't_ just kick someone out on the first crime they commit. And they don't try to hold it over the head of the person. It's possible to have an immigration system that doesn't treat the people coming in as indentured servants.

[1] HSFP visa non-excepting, but if you can get HSFP you can get a standard working visa

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Service garuntees citizenship! Would you like to know more? Jokes aside, seems reasonable enough to grant citizenship for those who have performed exceptional civic duty.

To be fair, this fast track should be the norm. The naturalisation process is insanely long intentionally.

It is long for obvious reasons right?

One needs to show that they have stayed in France sufficiently long to have had the “valeurs de la République” (values of the Republic) imbued in them, as well as speak a decent level of French and to have been well integrated in society.

FWIW the overall wait time to become a French citizen is much less than most other European countries.

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