Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever • Hacker News Board

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by chronofar » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #51

tomerico wrote: post #48

Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…

I love remote work. But yeah, I have also realized that if I didn’t show up for a few days, nobody would notice. And that presents a long term problem.

Whether or not you show up shouldn't matter. Whether your work gets done should.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by somewhereoutth » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:42 PM UTC

tomerico wrote: post #48

Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…

I mostly agree with you, but is it not possible that we were stuck in a local minima, and Covid might have shocked us out of that?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by webkike » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:44 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #100

Anyone else suspect we are going to see a massive deflation of cities?

Not really, cities offer public transportation and a lot of enjoyable things to do. They were a thing before large corporations were seated there.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by kitsunesoba » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #23

d357r0y3r wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

> I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age. There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

A big thing for me is being able to walk to a ton of different things, no car or even bike needed. In the US, for practically any area with densities lower than those of cities you're going to need a car.

I'm sure that the reduction of CoL opens up plenty of financial room for a car, but it's a whole extra set of things to have to worry about that I personally would rather not.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by ge96 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #3

They are resisting the heat death of the universe some how.

haha what's better than forever, the past maybe

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by tdeck » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:48 PM UTC

simonswords82 wrote: post #5

It's a no brainer. We will look back at offices like we look back on Victorian warehouses. Edit: People seem to be agreeing but I'm getting downvoted. WTF.

We still have warehouses. What am I missing?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by senkora » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:48 PM UTC

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #87

lebski88 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked remotely for 4 years now. We try extremely hard to avoid talking in private chats. Each person has their own channel which we try to use over DMs - this works really well although a few people seem to default to DM.

I've worked from home for ~6 years and 2 companies. I really miss real whiteboards. The only thing worse that being on a software team that has no whiteboards, is being the only remote person on a team that has whiteboards in the office.

If you miss the physical act of writing on a whiteboard, then I would suggest looking into getting a drawing tablet (which you can use with any collaborative whiteboard app, or just screenshare a regular drawing program if you don't need to collaborate).

You can get an entry-level Wacom for < $100, and it scratches the whiteboarding itch for me in a lot of situations.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by easde » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:48 PM UTC

watertrash wrote: post #11

The article mentions that this will allow the company to recruit from areas where pay is much lower than the Bay Area, but I wonder if this will affect the pay of current workers.

The common thinking is that it will reduce pay, but it may not be as much as most people think. A good example of this is Facebook's new compensation structure for remote work. For engineers remotely working from low cost of living areas base salaries are only 10-15% lower than in the Bay Area, and stock compensation is the same. So a senior engineer (E5) might go from making $400k to $370k in total compensation, while also substantially saving on California's income taxes.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by pc86 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:49 PM UTC

Solstinox wrote: post #31

coldtea wrote: post #2

I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

You know what’s worse than having to work with JIRA/Confluence/Bit Bucket, and such? Working with people who keep changing systems every 6-12 months. A crappy system used fully is better than system surfing to find the Holy Grail™.

Except for JIRA.

I'd rather learn a completely new system every 90 days than use JIRA.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by hevelvarik » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:51 PM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #97

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked from home for ~6 years and 2 companies. I really miss real whiteboards. The only thing worse that being on a software team that has no whiteboards, is being the only remote person on a team that has whiteboards in the office.

What's wrong with Google docs or any of the myriad online whiteboard apps?

Unless you’ve mastered one of those tools, it’s impossible to match the fluidity of thought to text or visualization that a standard whiteboard provides you.

I’m also not convinced that there is a tool that when mastered can provide the same fluidity, but I can claim that, and to the contrary I’d love a recommendation.