Trouble is, it only works if everyone is remote or everyone is in the office. "Piecemeal" situation does not work - remote people will be left out, and disadvantaged in terms of their career progression. So if they are serious about remote, they should commit to being remote only. Yes, some people won't like it, at least initially. But most of them will get used to it over time, same as they got used to the ridiculous proposition of spending a good chunk of their lives in traffic every day without getting paid, or not seeing their spouse and children for more than a few hours a day, or not being able to take a nap when they are tired, or sitting in a distracting noisy environment and being unable to focus, etc, etc.
Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. stop allowing foreign workers into the US 2. extremely portable work goes abroad
reversing 1 won't stop 2 though. I don't understand your logic. Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.
Lol good luck going after somebody in India that has leaked some of your IP.
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#93I should ask if I can start expensing coworking spaces.
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#94If this trend continues, it should affect bay area housing prices. I dont see any reason to pay such high rent, if I could work anywhere in the pacific north west.
My Bay Area job is letting me WFH permanently, and I'm looking to move to an adjacent area but the rental market is empty, and housing sales seem... targeted to SF expats.
And I haven’t actually seen the supposed rental price decrease in SF and the peninsula, other than some 2- to 4-week free rent offers.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
The memes were also better
Hipchat memes were the main upside of the product, differenciating it from the market. They were 500x500 squares, not tiny emojimemes like in Discord or Slack. You could truely express an opinion. It was heartwarming. Then they decided that they wanted to look serious, and reduced the meme size to 32px. That’s when the product fell out of fashion, because it was just like Slack with fewer features.
Have we regressed back to drawing things on the (cave) walls??
Thousands of years of linguistic progress out the window...
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#96If this trend continues, it should affect bay area housing prices. I dont see any reason to pay such high rent, if I could work anywhere in the pacific north west.
I don’t know about the US, but there’s more to urban areas than just the commute time. If anything wfh means spending more time in your home neighbourhood, so you’re going to need more amenities closer by - which are generally found in cities.
There’s an opposite effect too, because one of the biggest urban amenities is the density of activities which are likely to be closed for some time: night life, concerts, lots of hobbies, etc.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've worked remotely for 4 years now. We try extremely hard to avoid talking in private chats. Each person has their own channel which we try to use over DMs - this works really well although a few people seem to default to DM.
I've worked from home for ~6 years and 2 companies. I really miss real whiteboards. The only thing worse that being on a software team that has no whiteboards, is being the only remote person on a team that has whiteboards in the office.
What's wrong with Google docs or any of the myriad online whiteboard apps?
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#98It's a no brainer. We will look back at offices like we look back on Victorian warehouses. Edit: People seem to be agreeing but I'm getting downvoted. WTF.
I think it may be premature to celebrate the demise of the office. An awful lot of people still like them. And aside from some big names, how many companies are really looking to give up their office work? I work for a mid-size (10000 employees) software company and we are working from home for the forseeable future, but management has been very clear that they think collaboration works best in an office environment,…
> I think it may be premature to celebrate the demise of the office.
I agree, but mostly because high speed internet connections aren't that widespread yet.
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#99Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…
> The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction.
There is no inherent advantage to "working in person." Lower trust or communication or higher friction are not inherent to working remotely, they are the product of poor and overconfident management (at least in tech, given our forum here) and can be seen in any number of environments. You can replace "working in person" with various other specious truisms like "having an organized workspace" or "having weekly status meetings" or "using agile methodologies" and the two sentences above will be likewise banal and true only in specific instances.
Most technology work can be done remotely, and I'd argue should be done both remotely and asynchronously (many companies recently forced to do the remote piece are still are holding dearly to 9-5 and constant meetings), unless there are specific use cases that require more in person synchronous efforts (and to be sure this is the case in some cases, especially when specific hardware must be used for instance). The perception that there is something "better" about 9-5 in-office work is more a product of tradition and resistant over-management than inherent advantages to either setup.
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#100Anyone else suspect we are going to see a massive deflation of cities?