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Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by ericd »

speedgoose wrote: post #61
japhyr wrote: post #51

I was feeling pulled back towards non-mac laptops for a variety of reasons, but I think I just came up with a good strategy looking forward. If I were just doing my own dev work, I'd probably have a well-specced thinkpad running some version of linux. But I need to support people using all OSes, so I need a mac. If I need a mac, I'd like that to be my only computer, and just run windows and linux in VMs. I got a 13"…

The Mac mini is terribly overpriced. If you are going to replace your laptop by a desktop computer, get a descent GPU. That's nice.

It has some features that are hard to find in that form factor, like 10GbE.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by Borealid »

pengaru wrote: post #39
brtkdotse wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB-C transfers power as well. Are you really using cds and floppies in the year of our lord 2020, or are you just strawmanning?

Burning cds/dvds is still a very convenient and dense affordable form of offline storage for backups and/or content hoarding.

A DVD holds, what? 14GB max?

A microSD card can hold 500GB. DVDs (and even blu-rays) are far from "dense".

They also require an order of magnitude longer to write, lose their data to bit rot faster than SLC flash, and require devices with mechanical motors for both reading and writing.

I wouldn't call them convenient compared to flash memory, and I'm surprised anyone would.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by shmerl »

eropple wrote: post #96
shmerl wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the future USB4 will replace USB-C, so I wrote about both current and future cases. My E495 has only one and it's rather annoying (since it's also used for charging).

That’s kind of what you get with E and L models though. They’re bargain models. T and X models provide more ports as part of the value prop. I’ve seen a few power pass-through docks, though. Might be worth looking into if you haven’t already.

Yes, I'm using such hub, since it's the only way to connect external monitors through DisplayPort when you only have one USB-C available.

https://www.cablematters.com/pc-899-126-usb-c-multiport-adap...

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

#104

Post by zelly »

NullPrefix wrote: post #38
zelly wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use this. I like it. Upgraded the SSD and added the motherboard max of 32G RAM. If you are using Linux on a laptop, you have a choice between dealing with NVIDIA's proprietary garbage or bad integrated graphics. AMD GPU on a laptop is a godsend.

>motherboard max of 32G RAM Are you sure about that number, because that seems.. rather low. Sandy Bridge era T420 and X220 accepted 16GB. Just double capacity after 9 years isn't that impressive, is it? There are 32GB DDR4 SODIMMS in the market.

Yes unfortunately that's it according to the manufacturer.

https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T...

> Just double capacity after 9 years isn't that impressive, is it?

In their defense, there's a limit to what you can fit into and cool in a laptop chassis. The most expensive MPB you can buy now (with Coffee Lake?) can fit a max of 64GB. You can build an AMD (or Intel, if you want to waste money) desktop with >1TB RAM.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by zelly »

KSS42 wrote: post #89
zelly wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use this. I like it. Upgraded the SSD and added the motherboard max of 32G RAM. If you are using Linux on a laptop, you have a choice between dealing with NVIDIA's proprietary garbage or bad integrated graphics. AMD GPU on a laptop is a godsend.

Are you sure you use T495s? T495s -> max 16 GB T495 -> max 32 GB. I use the T495s and it is a great laptop. It is slighter thinner/lighter than the T495.

Yes, you're right, it's a T495, not the s.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

#106

Post by zelly »

kvark wrote: post #82
fladrif wrote: post #32

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Which AMD cpu was this? And what version of Ubuntu were you running?

It's with Ryzen 3500U on Ubuntu 19.10, no fancy configuration.

I'm using Fedora, haven't had any sleep problems. If you're using GNOME or KDE, they are notorious for hijacking ACPI handling. Try "# systemctl suspend" to rule out it being Linux's fault.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by zelly »

westoque wrote: post #66
lostgame wrote: post #21

ThinkPads make better MacBook Pros than Apple-official products - by far and large. I’ve got a 2017 MacBook Pro and a 2016 Lenovo ThinkPad and the ThinkPad runs circles around it. It’s also literally a hybrid drawing tablet laptop running MacOS - so unimaginably useful as a creative - and something Apple doesn’t offer, unless you want half-baked iOS software (no Illustrator, no Animate, no Blender) on an iPad Pro. Ev…

> Forgot to mention the #1 benefit - replaceable HDD/SSD and upgradable RAM. Also this. I just bought a new 16" Macbook Pro because I just maxed out the SSD in my 2015 Macbook Pro due to all the Docker images and generally all the data that I have. It was running perfectly and I wouldn't even think about upgrading if the storage was upgradable. The next best thing to buy an upgrade kit from iFixit and spend some prec…

I don't know what people do with laptops with soldered-on Disk space is so important these days with Docker, node_modules, venv, bazel, etc. where every directory basically has its own OS. We all should have >10TB on laptops.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by pengaru »

Borealid wrote: post #102
pengaru wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Burning cds/dvds is still a very convenient and dense affordable form of offline storage for backups and/or content hoarding.

A DVD holds, what? 14GB max? A microSD card can hold 500GB. DVDs (and even blu-rays) are far from "dense". They also require an order of magnitude longer to write, lose their data to bit rot faster than SLC flash, and require devices with mechanical motors for both reading and writing. I wouldn't call them convenient compared to flash memory, and I'm surprised anyone would.

How long is SLC flash good for?

Archival quality optical discs are marketed as having a 300+ year lifespan.

I've never viewed SD cards as something appropriate for long-term offline storage, is SLC flash exceptional in this regard?

I was comparing the convenience of optical to tape, which is bulky and annoying, and in my experience quite unreliable.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by shmoogy »

japhyr wrote: post #51

I was feeling pulled back towards non-mac laptops for a variety of reasons, but I think I just came up with a good strategy looking forward. If I were just doing my own dev work, I'd probably have a well-specced thinkpad running some version of linux. But I need to support people using all OSes, so I need a mac. If I need a mac, I'd like that to be my only computer, and just run windows and linux in VMs. I got a 13"…

I use iPad as my thin client, LTE, better battery life, Blink terminal is great. Bought a 16 inch 2019 MacBook and forgot how annoying it is running things locally (weight and heat).

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by fumar »

lostgame wrote: post #21

ThinkPads make better MacBook Pros than Apple-official products - by far and large. I’ve got a 2017 MacBook Pro and a 2016 Lenovo ThinkPad and the ThinkPad runs circles around it. It’s also literally a hybrid drawing tablet laptop running MacOS - so unimaginably useful as a creative - and something Apple doesn’t offer, unless you want half-baked iOS software (no Illustrator, no Animate, no Blender) on an iPad Pro. Ev…

I was in your shoes 2 years ago. I had two ThinkPads one was a hackintosh. I needed MacOS for work. I loved having the trackpoint, thinkpad keyboard, and user replaceable parts. Work eventually upgraded everyone to new MacBook Pros and I did the switch too. I found myself using the MacBook over my ThinkPad due to longer battery life, better trackpad experience, and worryfree use. My x230 had a bluetooth dongle that would fail occasionally and my x370 had touchscreen issues. The x370 also had a crummy PWM issues and was giving me headaches. On top of it, updates were less than ideal on the x230 hackintosh. I eventually sold both. I have an iPad Pro, iPad mini 5, and Macbook Pro now. They all work great together. I like running Juno notebook on my ipad to work through data science. If I need to, I travel with the iPad and remote into the macbook. ymmv

I do miss the trackpoint and keyboard a little...

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