AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

Post by paxys » Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 9:15 PM UTC

stupidbird wrote: post #95

jackconnor wrote: post #16

There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards, and nobody has found a single one despite hardware geeks worldwide searching like it was Willy Wonka's final golden ticket. This story was bogus, it most likely came from a ton of rumors that got conflated, hence why they had to go with anonymous sources as opposed to any physical evidence. I'd be surprised if Bloomberg has any credibilit…

>most likely came from a ton of rumors that got conflated, hence why they had to go with anonymous sources Just noting that anonymous sources aren't unknown sources — if Bloomberg says that these are people working in US Intelligence then they've very likely validated it, but are protecting their identities by request. Also worth noting that Amazon and Apple have a tremendous amount to lose here. That doesn't mean th…

Post by wpdev_63 » Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

strictnein wrote: post #22

wpdev_63 wrote: post #6

I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

> "you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop" That $1+ trillion number is cost through 2070 . $406.5 billion for acquisition of the jets $1.1 trillion for operations and maintenance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...

Post by wpdev_63 » Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #24

wpdev_63 wrote: post #6

I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

Saying "The Chinese are probably doing something bad" is very different from the very specific accusations that were made; "The Chinese are doing the same thing to us" is not a news story - what was reported by Bloomberg was a news story. My point is that hand wavy "they have to be spying somewhere" is in no way a defense for the Bloomberg story. My reason why I'm very skeptical of the story is that I think it would…

Post by moftz » Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #84

sonnyblarney wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards" No, the boards would be selectively hacked. And we know it happens because 'we' do it as well. Surely there is evidence floating around but it's also unlikely that companies would want to admit the breach. I kind of believe Apple and Amazon though, there's too much risk if they were to be caught lying. This is a weird one ...

But surely there's at least a few thousand of the hacked boards? The article mentioned a data center and entire companies being targeted. All it would take is someone to dig up some junked boards, unless they were intentionally destroyed to hide evidence. Unlike 0 days or other issues, this seems like it would be easy to reproduce. Just need to find the boards.

Post by wpdev_63 » Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 9:30 PM UTC

shitloadofbooks wrote: post #48

wpdev_63 wrote: post #6

I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

US companies are integrating fairly public "spy chips" in the form of Intel's ME and AMD's PSP. These have very little/no benefit for the average consumer.