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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by pragone »

Haydos585x2 wrote: post #90
jakubp wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there Amazon Kindle app for iOS? If there is, isn't it the exact same type of app as Steam Link? Access your content library, buy more content. If Apple lets Amazon do this (presumably because Amazon is too big to ignore) and won't let Steam do it (because Steam isn't big enough), then this feels more like a cartel than monopoly.

My understanding of Kindle and Audible on iOS is that Amazon does not _sell_ content on the iOS apps. You can only download/access your content. I always found this annoying with Audible and having to use my laptop to purchase and then download in the app. I haven't had an iPhone in a few years but I think the Steam app was similar.

I always assumed this was because Amazon didn't want to have to pay the 30% or whatever cost to Apple for in-app purchases.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by Maarten88 »

criley2 wrote: post #84
bluelu wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tumblr is not any better. No ways to access any page without clicking OK https://www.tumblr.com/privacy/consent?redirect=https%3A%2F%...

Why do you have the 'right' to access a private server without agreeing to a terms of use?

Well, because GDPR.

They can block the EU entirely (after deleting all data they may have on EU subjects) or implement a compliant privacy policy. This is not. (if you click on the policy link, they will lie that it is in accordance with GDPR, but very clearly it is not).

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

> actual monopolistic behavior

> a significant share

If it's only "a significant share" it's by definition not a monopoly.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by intended »

criley2 wrote: post #83
tialaramex wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Basically the GDPR is structured around a whole bunch of reasons why you might _need_ to store and process data about people ("Subjects"), for which you have implicit permission because it's necessary to something you're doing for the Subject. You need to make sure Subjects can find out what you needed, and why, and you can't change your mind later. These purposes do not need Consent. You don't need to Consent to…

>I'm sure somebody will try to claim it's "necessary" to their business to track people and sell everything they possibly can, and I expect European courts to decide that's laughable nonsense. Who pays the verge for the reporting that you wish to read? Is this verge reporting on this article made for free, by a volunteer, etc? Or were they paid? OK, so the Verge is a business, who has to make money. How do they make…

Yes very much so:

Newspapers and other sources of information ARE having a horrible time and it going to get worse.

BUT the solution to the revenue problem - aka advertising - is now a problem in its own right and driving the creation of content to keep itself going.

All of our major information problems trace back to 3 related things.

1) the makeup of our wetware

2) advertising as a way to subsidize/pay for content

3) the vicious cycle of increasingly louder techniques to grab audience attention, ranging from “sex sells”, partisan news, product placements, and invasive online ads.

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Post by adamjc »

criley2 wrote: post #98
iamaelephant wrote: post #94

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Newspapers and magazines have sold advertising without individual reader targeting for years and it continues to be a viable business model. Individually tracking users is not necessary.

>Newspapers and magazines have sold advertising without individual reader targeting for years and it continues to be a viable business model Newspapers and magazines charges a subscription. Are you suggesting we should now charge Europeans a subscriptions where we do not for others? I'm ok with that. Don't want tracking? Then give me your credit card and subscribe, or there's the door. Plus, nearly all newspapers are…

> Then give me your credit card and subscribe, or there's the door.

I don't understand this type of thinking from some of the posters here on HN, as if GDPR is right now personally affecting you in a negative way. It's a very aggressive way of writing and I've seen a few posters comment in this way.

If you want an example of a company that does non-personalised advertising and is successful: DuckDuckGo.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by theandrewbailey »

stephenr wrote: post #20

Can someone please update this to the canonical non-amp URL: https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/17392470/apple-rejects-va... Apart from not supporting googles effort to control the web, the amp page loads slower than the original and has a ridiculous “cookie agreement” with a button that doesn’t work.

Firefox extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amp2html/

I'm trying to find something similar for Chrome, but all I'm coming up with is extensions to redirect to AMP. Anyone up for some monopolistic behavior?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by beavis2 »

int_19h wrote: post #97
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use.

"Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guidelines"

https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/15/4624706/google-blocks-win...

My impression was Microsoft being arrogant. Besides, Windows 8/10 users could still access YT via web.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by Maarten88 »

criley2 wrote: post #88
letsgetphysITal wrote: post #57

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Submit a complaint. You didn't accept the terms, and they breached GDPR by not offering an alternative without tracking.

This makes no sense. Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. That's how they pay for the "free" content you wish to consume without paying. Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? It seems like a hard block on all Europeans visiting websites like this would be better (and totally legal, these are private servers with a terms of use, accessin…

> Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content.

Well, too bad, that business model has just become illegal in EU. Publishers will have to make do with old style banners or ads. They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject.

... or get consent in a compliant way. Success with that!

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