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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by pookeh »

tramGG wrote: post #67
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-product... Sounds like the same behavior. Google has been known to replace whole other start-up services or de-list them.

Or even like this

"Yelp And TripAdvisor Team Up To Pile On Google Over Search Monopoly"

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/yelp-and-tripadvisor-team...

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by DRW_ »

gehsty wrote: post #52

I am not really suprised by this, buying games and then play them outside of the appstore is not exactly in the spirit of the apples guidelines. This is clearly different from a remote desktop app. I'm 100% sure this would be allowed back in if they built it without the ability to make purchases... Not saying I agree with it but a Company such as Valve should know this is going to happen.

The thing is, Apple does allow this sort of thing. Look at apps like Google Play Movies. You can't buy or rent from within the app, so google doesn't get their cut - you can only buy and rent from google play movies on the website, thus bypassing Apple entirely.

You can then play that content within the iOS app. All in direct competition with iTunes.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by stephenr »

criley2 wrote: post #78
stephenr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concept of amp is google trying to control the web. Also, my understanding is that all amp pages have to load the required js from an amp project cdn, which is ultimately a google cdn. And yes, it most definitely does load slower for me - I have nothing but a blank white page for several seconds.

>And yes, it most definitely does load slower for me - I have nothing but a blank white page for several seconds. This is quite obviously an error state, likely caused by an extension of yours. Have you tried using Amp in a fresh install of a different browser? Using different network settings? It seems very likely that you are the reason amp doesn't work for you. And this is coming from an amp hater.

> Have you tried using Amp in a fresh install of a different browser?

Why on earth would I do that? I’m not trying to fix googles broken shit, I’m trying to read a fucking web page, and as it happens the original webpage loads just fine, and ridiculously fast.

So again? Why bother? With amp at all I mean. When a company says “we want to make pages load faster on mobile” and their first result is “ok just load up this extra javascript” you should realise that their stated goal is not their actual goal.

Web pages can be fast without amp, and load times can be measured. There is zero technical reason google needed to push amp on the world using worse search result rankings as the threat for non compliance.

So, tell me again how this is my fucking fault.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by iamaelephant »

criley2 wrote: post #83
tialaramex wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Basically the GDPR is structured around a whole bunch of reasons why you might _need_ to store and process data about people ("Subjects"), for which you have implicit permission because it's necessary to something you're doing for the Subject. You need to make sure Subjects can find out what you needed, and why, and you can't change your mind later. These purposes do not need Consent. You don't need to Consent to…

>I'm sure somebody will try to claim it's "necessary" to their business to track people and sell everything they possibly can, and I expect European courts to decide that's laughable nonsense. Who pays the verge for the reporting that you wish to read? Is this verge reporting on this article made for free, by a volunteer, etc? Or were they paid? OK, so the Verge is a business, who has to make money. How do they make…

Newspapers and magazines have sold advertising without individual reader targeting for years and it continues to be a viable business model. Individually tracking users is not necessary.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by cup-of-tea »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

> People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services

Whoa there, consumers are not the only people who matter. Suppliers are often exploited by monopolies. Have you never heard of the Fair Trade movement? Please do not forget about the suppliers of your cheap shit you don't need.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by flintchip »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

Can you explain how Google pulling YouTube from the Firestick was good for consumers?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by int_19h »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by criley2 »

iamaelephant wrote: post #94
criley2 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm sure somebody will try to claim it's "necessary" to their business to track people and sell everything they possibly can, and I expect European courts to decide that's laughable nonsense. Who pays the verge for the reporting that you wish to read? Is this verge reporting on this article made for free, by a volunteer, etc? Or were they paid? OK, so the Verge is a business, who has to make money. How do they make…

Newspapers and magazines have sold advertising without individual reader targeting for years and it continues to be a viable business model. Individually tracking users is not necessary.

>Newspapers and magazines have sold advertising without individual reader targeting for years and it continues to be a viable business model

Newspapers and magazines charges a subscription. Are you suggesting we should now charge Europeans a subscriptions where we do not for others? I'm ok with that. Don't want tracking? Then give me your credit card and subscribe, or there's the door.

Plus, nearly all newspapers are in economic free fall, advertising was completely destroyed by the internet, and there are almost no newspapers which are in the "green" without having an internet product or being owned by a larger corporation.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by [deleted] »

criley2 wrote: post #83
tialaramex wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Basically the GDPR is structured around a whole bunch of reasons why you might _need_ to store and process data about people ("Subjects"), for which you have implicit permission because it's necessary to something you're doing for the Subject. You need to make sure Subjects can find out what you needed, and why, and you can't change your mind later. These purposes do not need Consent. You don't need to Consent to…

>I'm sure somebody will try to claim it's "necessary" to their business to track people and sell everything they possibly can, and I expect European courts to decide that's laughable nonsense. Who pays the verge for the reporting that you wish to read? Is this verge reporting on this article made for free, by a volunteer, etc? Or were they paid? OK, so the Verge is a business, who has to make money. How do they make…

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by rhodysurf »

int_19h wrote: post #97
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

You could still access YouTube through the web though couldn’t you?
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