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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by tialaramex »

pas wrote: post #59
tialaramex wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Basically the GDPR is structured around a whole bunch of reasons why you might _need_ to store and process data about people ("Subjects"), for which you have implicit permission because it's necessary to something you're doing for the Subject. You need to make sure Subjects can find out what you needed, and why, and you can't change your mind later. These purposes do not need Consent. You don't need to Consent to…

> ... and you can't change your mind later. Is that a typo? Isn't GDPR the implementation of the right to be forgotten plus "left-the-fuck-alone after used your shitty site for 0.5 EUR to buy an emoji"? So you can request removal of all your personal information. Yes, Amazon needs your delivery and billing address, but they don't need the delivery address after delivery. So you can request them to delete it pronto! A…

"You" here is the Data Controller, not the Subject.

Under the GDPR Amazon can't say "Oh, we told our customers we collected email addresses to send them stuff about their delivery, but now we've decided to use those to seed our Orbital Weapons Robots. So we'll just update our T&Cs and done, right?"

If they decide now they want email addresses for the Orbital Weapons Robots they're going to have to collect from scratch. Too bad, ask first.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by zkomp »

yvdriess wrote: post #62
skc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt there is much overlap between the hardcore gamer market and Apple anyway.

Plenty of overlap. Ipad stream-gaming on the couch while the wife watches TV, for example.

Yes yes and yes.

So now it is totally possible, you just must avoid iPads (face palm)

Essentialy Apple want force me buy some android tablet, smart move...

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by criley2 »

tialaramex wrote: post #38
swebs wrote: post #13

Wow, when trying to access this from the EU, I'm blocked by this huge pop-up telling me to either accept their tracking or fuck off. The cookie policy makes no mention on how to access the site without clicking "I accept", it just directs you to optout.aboutads.info. https://i.imgur.com/dK73MUi.png Is this really GDPR compliant?

No. Basically the GDPR is structured around a whole bunch of reasons why you might _need_ to store and process data about people ("Subjects"), for which you have implicit permission because it's necessary to something you're doing for the Subject. You need to make sure Subjects can find out what you needed, and why, and you can't change your mind later. These purposes do not need Consent. You don't need to Consent to…

>I'm sure somebody will try to claim it's "necessary" to their business to track people and sell everything they possibly can, and I expect European courts to decide that's laughable nonsense.

Who pays the verge for the reporting that you wish to read?

Is this verge reporting on this article made for free, by a volunteer, etc?

Or were they paid?

OK, so the Verge is a business, who has to make money.

How do they make money? Are you paying them to read this article? No?

So they sell advertisements to make money to show you content.

" I'm sure somebody will try to claim it's "necessary" to their business to track people and sell everything they possibly can"

In this case, tracking you through cookies for advertising purposes seems to be a "necessary" part of the verge, as it is literally a core aspect of the monetization strategy to offer free content in exchange for tracked advertising, as they explain in the pop-up.

No ads = no content. I can't see a European court claiming that Europeans have a right to free content in violation of the monetization strategy of the author. At the end of the day, verges servers are private servers and you do have to agree to their terms of use before connecting to their servers. In this case, the terms of use of connecting to a verge server for free articles is advertising tracking.

Good luck suing them, but what would be the end game? Ruin their business model?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by criley2 »

bluelu wrote: post #75
tialaramex wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Basically the GDPR is structured around a whole bunch of reasons why you might _need_ to store and process data about people ("Subjects"), for which you have implicit permission because it's necessary to something you're doing for the Subject. You need to make sure Subjects can find out what you needed, and why, and you can't change your mind later. These purposes do not need Consent. You don't need to Consent to…

Tumblr is not any better. No ways to access any page without clicking OK https://www.tumblr.com/privacy/consent?redirect=https%3A%2F%...

Why do you have the 'right' to access a private server without agreeing to a terms of use?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by amarant »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

came here to say something similar. How is this not a breach of anti-trust/anti-competition laws?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by 23443463455 »

tramGG wrote: post #67
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-product... Sounds like the same behavior. Google has been known to replace whole other start-up services or de-list them.

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by drexlspivey »

thvasilo wrote: post #42
swebs wrote: post #13

Wow, when trying to access this from the EU, I'm blocked by this huge pop-up telling me to either accept their tracking or fuck off. The cookie policy makes no mention on how to access the site without clicking "I accept", it just directs you to optout.aboutads.info. https://i.imgur.com/dK73MUi.png Is this really GDPR compliant?

I don't think this is GDPR compliant, the choice is either track or go to another website. For the time being I added these to uBlock: www.theverge.com##.privacy-consent-notice www.theverge.com###privacy-consent-ui www.theverge.com###privacyConsent Not sure if I'm now doing something illegal or they are, since I never consented but they're probably tracking my visits now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How can you even prove that a client consented? Do you present a log of the request or something?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by criley2 »

letsgetphysITal wrote: post #57
thvasilo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is GDPR compliant, the choice is either track or go to another website. For the time being I added these to uBlock: www.theverge.com##.privacy-consent-notice www.theverge.com###privacy-consent-ui www.theverge.com###privacyConsent Not sure if I'm now doing something illegal or they are, since I never consented but they're probably tracking my visits now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Submit a complaint. You didn't accept the terms, and they breached GDPR by not offering an alternative without tracking.

This makes no sense. Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. That's how they pay for the "free" content you wish to consume without paying.

Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? It seems like a hard block on all Europeans visiting websites like this would be better (and totally legal, these are private servers with a terms of use, accessing an american server in violation of the terms of use is an American felony) because if it is now illegal in Europe for Euro freeloaders to implicitly pay for the content they view, then why let the free people in?

Sounds like its time for a new library for sites that are available free worldwide where we switch to a subscription/pay/lockout only model for European customers. If you can't monetize on ads by law, then, time to start charging for access at the front door, right?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by huseyinkeles »

jakubp wrote: post #80
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

Is there Amazon Kindle app for iOS? If there is, isn't it the exact same type of app as Steam Link? Access your content library, buy more content. If Apple lets Amazon do this (presumably because Amazon is too big to ignore) and won't let Steam do it (because Steam isn't big enough), then this feels more like a cartel than monopoly.

it actually has, but you can not buy new books, only read the ones you've already bought.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by Haydos585x2 »

jakubp wrote: post #80
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

Is there Amazon Kindle app for iOS? If there is, isn't it the exact same type of app as Steam Link? Access your content library, buy more content. If Apple lets Amazon do this (presumably because Amazon is too big to ignore) and won't let Steam do it (because Steam isn't big enough), then this feels more like a cartel than monopoly.

My understanding of Kindle and Audible on iOS is that Amazon does not _sell_ content on the iOS apps. You can only download/access your content. I always found this annoying with Audible and having to use my laptop to purchase and then download in the app. I haven't had an iPhone in a few years but I think the Steam app was similar.
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