My brother had lumbar fusion surgery after he hurt his back on the job. My parents tried to talk him out of it, but the workman's comp lawyer and the doctors convinced him anyway. Three years later, he spent almost all the workman's comp money and his back is worse than before.
The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
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Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with doing exercises is it's not as simple as a pill or a surgery - it's a lifestyle change. Don't want to spam HN with this as I mentioned it earlier, but this is one of the issues we're trying to address with http://MoveWellApp.com - which is basically a personal mobility coach.
Get a dog instead. Unlike a stupid app you can't ignore the animal once you got it. I wouldn't have believed it, but walking the dog has improved my physical and psychological health considerably.
Thanks for taking the time to give such helpfully feedback.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Consider Hepatitis C. Chronic infection puts the patient at risk for cirrhosis and eventual liver failure, and the treatment for that is a liver transplant. A couple of years ago Telepravir (Schering/Merck) and Boceprevir (Vertex/J&J) came to market. The price for a course of treatment has nothing to do with the cost of development and everything with the cost of a liver transplant, it's slightly less than that.
What argument of mine are you attempting to rebut?
You didn't make it, but you hear far too often that drugs for management of chronic conditions are more profitable than cures for acute conditions, and that's what determines what goes into the development pipeline.
The truth is more complex than that. The reason that you don't see investment in antibiotics is that the low-hanging fruit is picked and you cannot use the new compounds unless as a treatment of last resort, and sales would be far too low to be profitable. They will be needed, though, in the medium term. The financing model in pharma is broken and there is no change on the horizon in that department.
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#104Oh, but the subscriptions continue. They "cure a disease" with vaccines my friend...In fact they increase as vaccines are compulsively imposed on almost everybody...Note that the vaccine manufactures are immune from liability, so a vaccine is a perfect injection point for bioaccumulative toxins which create more future customers. > Indeed, and it is surely for the same reason that there isn't yet a pill I can take to…
If you can provide any proof that vaccines cause long term diseases in any significant rate, I would appreciate it.
The question is what constitutes as "proof"? It's certainly isn't going to be a mathematical proof.
Is "proof" limited to being sanctioned by a homogeneous scientific community who receives their funding from the same institutions that they are analyzing? Is there "proof" that vaccines are essential to public health? Would sanitation not have a contributing factor to reduction of disease? Can you rule out biological warfare as a catalyst for various epidemics?
Perhaps "proof" can mean implication in an investigative sense through collating evidence & connecting the dots. In this sense, would a conviction in a non-biased criminal or civil court be "proof"?
Here's some evidence; note that the most of the corporate media is sponsored by pharma/medical advertisement, creating a conflict of interest in reporting. Approach this like an investigator, do the research, & listen to the various interested parties:
* The National Childhood Vaccine Act limits the liability of vaccine manufactures from claims. There is a separate fund which pays off families whose children were injured by a vaccine.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injur...
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
* Several CDC & industry whistle-blowers reported rigged scientific studies re: MMR & other vaccine effects. Why would these people ruin their nice jobs & face public scrutiny to blow the whistle if there were not a moral reason to do so?
http://www.naturalnews.com/046535_MMR_vaccines_autism_CDC_wh...
* Studies indicating that Unvaccinated Children are Healthier than Vaccinated Children
https://healthimpactnews.com/2016/study-unvaccinated-childre...
* President Trump commissioned a panel headed by Robert Kennedy & supported by Robert De Niro (a vocal critic of Trump whose child has been injured by vaccines).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkbXGAfMyY
* Propaganda/Public Relations campaigns directed at any skeptic of vaccines. You know the dreaded "anti-vaxxers". If there were no culpability, why would there be such heavy Progadanga demonizing people from exercising their free speech? Bill Nye wants anti-vaxxers to be killed. Penn & Teller seemed zealously angry in their video against the evil "anti-vaxxers". Why such a harsh response? Is this not similar to the Catholic Inquisitions where the religious hegemony was challenged by esoteric & scientific belief?
The establishment Scientific homism of GMOs, Vaccines, Climate Change, compulsory fluoridation has been unable to silence it's critics through studies & rhetoric. Instead, the arguments & evidence against these organizations is only growing in volume.
* Anecdotal evidence/videos of many people who have suffered injuries from vaccines. This is not limited to autism. I personally know a few people who have been injured (mainly from the East Coast). Before you write them off, these people seem quite convinced over the causes of their injuries. There is little motivation to be reporting such causes. It's important to elevate direct reports, as there is a heavy vested interest in spinning stories (similar to blaming the rape victim).
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/march-2015-settlements-in-v...
* Measles outbreaks where those infected had the measles vaccine. I thought the value proposition of vaccines was inoculation for life?
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm
* Mercury & other compounds found in the vaccines. Independent labs have analyzed harmful bioaccumulative compounds in vaccines.
https://www.ecowatch.com/glyphosate-vaccines-1999343362.html
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#105Anecdotally, I do a lot of exercise and for a year I'd always wake up with a sore back (top of hips, either side of spine), or after sitting down. Physio eventually told me my hip flexors were really tight and that was the cause of the referred pain. 4 days of long stretches on those a couple of times a day and I'm good as! Crazy I went for a year with it irritating. If it helps someone, glad it did. Something like this (first result on google) http://www.stack.com/a/4-hip-flexor-stretches-to-relieve-tig...
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#106http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-doesnt-work/
I'm the GP. The reason why I'm replying is because I don't want people that can be helped by Acupuncture to reject it based on a misunderstanding of the claim. I think there are several specific reasons why both the article which you link to can be true and also that acpuncture worked in my specific case and can work in cases that are similar. First of all, as another reply alluded to, the article isn't testing for e…
Did you try a physical therapist? I had knee pain from rock climbing, and the usual "treatment" in this sport is just to rest and heal, but after 4 months I had no improvement. I had little faith in PT because I was convinced I had some kind of tear, or maybe a bone spur, etc.
Anyway, the physical therapist put me through motions and he showed me on the skeleton how it was actually supporting muscles that were much weaker on one side of my body. He gave me basic exercises to do every day to strengthen those muscles, and in the end it worked beautifully. No more knee issues.
I'm glad you found something that worked, but I'm also curious if you tried out PT, and what they told you?
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny that we have billions poured into cancer research yet we still can't find that cure. I guess we need another cure cancer walkathon with pink ribbons cause those smart scientists almost have that cure... Perhaps there is a cure (or at least the causes are well-known), but it's being withheld from the public. Why would we ever want to fix problems that employ so many people & give them nice houses & yachts?
Actually, cancer treatment has made huge progress in the last decade or so. Melanoma, in particular, has gone from a virtual death sentence to being one of the more treatable forms. The idea that we haven't found "the cure" to cancer is silly because cancer isn't one disease, it's many, down to the point of everyone's cancer being genetically different, and in fact different cancer cells being genetically different w…
Yeah, a log/log plot of incidence of cancer against age shows that about 6 mutations are needed in a cell to result in cancer. A decent cancer needs invasiveness, metastases, vascularization and evasion of the immune system. The last two are especially important and that's where current research is directed.
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#108I'm on a 3 month back pain streak which is unprecedented for me. It's co-occuring with higher than usual weight range for me, as well as I had started making a concerted effort to stand straighter and adjust head-forward posture and I think that might also have triggered something. I can't tell for the life of me if it's arthritis or some kind of over-tensioned muscle. But in regard to the article, I have no hope in the medical industry to help. Damn sad really.
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#109I can personally vouch for push-ups as a cure for back pain. When done in proper form, push-ups are one of the best exercises even for the spine and back. The risk of injury is fairly less. I usually do 3 sets of 6 to 8 push-ups every morning. The plank is also a good exercise. I can't hold the plank position for more than 30 seconds though.
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#110I'm a programmer, always at the desk. Back problems came on in my mid/late thirties, as I let my physique go. Once I started squatting in early 40s, back pain has largely subsided. Only reoccurred when I got too optimistic regarding my training, after a break. Have now fixed that by learning to train in moderation / be more consistent - as I get older, there really is no excuse good enough for not going. So yes: Lear…
To clarify the term: "a2g" = "ass to grass", or full extension at the bottom of the movement such that calves and hamstrings meet.