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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by nkrisc »

rhcom2 wrote: post #94
nkrisc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been joking lately that there is a new one syllable word for "personal computer": phone. I wouldn't be surprised. I suspect that a smartphone is the only computer very large majority of today's children has ever used.

Something I never really thought of but that definitely looks like the trend: http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-owne...

Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by eh78ssxv2f »

mcherm wrote: post #8

I completely disagree with the title. The fact that "telephony" can be an app on the phone is a WONDERFUL thing. It means that the author of this article has a choice, as opposed to NOT having a choice.

I agree. There could be a lot of improvements that can be done to telephone. Of course, they might have tradeoffs (privacy vs. convenience). That's where providing multiple options to the user comes handy.

Some of the improvements (just top of my mind): crowd-sourced list of scammers, telemarketers. For outgoing calls: automapping phone numbers to business/user names, automatically using the best way to route the call based on call rates (WiFi vs cellular vs. multipath TCP) etc.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by naasking »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #29
bostand wrote: post #20

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Google in 2007: Do no evil. Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

Skynet v. 0.1 didn't build itself. Clearly, though, once it becomes a minimum viable product, it will produce the next generations of itself. Or will it? If it's an AI intent on approximating human speech processing, why should it be any good at programming? See also https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-... .

> Or will it? If it's an AI intent on approximating human speech processing, why should it be any good at programming?

Exactly! Any sophisticated machine will be as full of errors as a human, just different kinds of errors. Unless it's a Godel machine [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del_machine

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by abecedarius »

nkrisc wrote: post #12
sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

In the early 2000s I was excited about the potential of networked handhelds. Then disappointed when it turned out they'd be phones. I wonder if there's some branch of the wave function where an open PC-style architecture won.

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Post by kome »

mcherm wrote: post #8

I completely disagree with the title. The fact that "telephony" can be an app on the phone is a WONDERFUL thing. It means that the author of this article has a choice, as opposed to NOT having a choice.

But if you read the article, it's all about not having a choice. Gosh, HN can be so ideological...

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

nkrisc wrote: post #101
rhcom2 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I never really thought of but that definitely looks like the trend: http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-owne...

Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

That is exactly my grandchildren. My grandson is four and has been using smartphones for three years. He's had his own for one. Color me shocked when, at three, he asked me to connect his phone to my wifi. They're bright enough kids but far from exceptional/genius. Its just how it is now.

By the way, when you make the off/end button big and red, it is nigh impossible to convince a little boy not to press it. Over and over.

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Post by dwighttk »

WorldMaker wrote: post #47
nkrisc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

I've been joking lately that there is a new one syllable word for "personal computer": phone. At the current rate that's how the language will shift. I suppose we'll know if people start referring to things like "macOS deskphones" and think "laptop" always meant "laptop phone". :) It's like those futurist ads from the 50s (and 80s/90s) AT&T that soon there will be phones capable of amazing things everywhere in our li…

"I'm also strongly for renaming 3D Printers to facsimile machines" Wouldn't you need a 3D Scanner/Printer to really be a facsimile machine?

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Post by taylodl »

nkrisc wrote: post #101
rhcom2 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I never really thought of but that definitely looks like the trend: http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-owne...

Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

Interesting - especially the using the mouse/trackpad part. They're going to want pro tablets. Some of those two year olds of yore are now seven - and elementary schools in the U.S. are still very tablet focused. It'll be interesting to see what happens in four or so years when they start middle school and are expected to use traditional laptops.

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Post by nolok »

Symbiote wrote: post #53
sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

You could call it a mobile, which is about as common in Britain as calling it a phone. (The full name being a mobile phone.)

Same in phone "portable" for "telephone portable" (portable can also refer to laptops, for "ordinateur portable"). The word convergence is coming, and the answer might be neither computer nor phone.
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