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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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From the car purchase page, it seems that they are charging an additional $13,200 (combining the addons Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving capability at $7,900 and $5,300 respectively) for the full experience: https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/models/design

Software switch fee. You get the same hardware, different feature flag. Crazy right?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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> To make sense of all of this data, a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision, sonar and radar processing software. 40 times the performance of a Tegra 3 is not particularly impressive. Also, I sincerely hope that this new faster computer doesn't also run a web browser.

They're talking AP hardware, which was different from the entertainment cluster hardware.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means they don't have confidence in running the same tried and tested programs on a completely new platform they just launched. Which makes complete sense, wouldn't it be irresponsible otherwise? It gives them time to confirm a new technology and update their maps of areas with information from the new wavelengths they're just now gathering.

> It gives them time to confirm a new technology and update their maps of areas with information from the new wavelengths they're just now gathering. Fair enough. I just tried to do a diff between the versions: Current implementation [0] * Camera module in the front * Front-facing Radar * 12 ultrasonic sensors New implementation: * 8 surround cameras * Front-facing radar * 12 ultrasonic sensors (updated) [0]: https:/…

For version 8 of their software, the camera is now the primary sensor. And that's where the biggest hardware difference between the models is.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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It was already announced before, that the hardware is included. And it was clear, that it is meant to be used for autonomous driving. And as they do not have autonomous driving yet, this is indeed just hot air... How would they know it is completed if there is no demonstration of it actually working?

Elon just tweeted that a video showing car navigating an urban environment is forth coming. Without actual footage and info the post is a bit light on the crucial implementation for sure.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/788902908175618049

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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How interesting. So up-coming Tesla drivers temporarily won't get fancy features. For a time, new Tesla buyers again become early adopters. But unlike traditional early adopters, who take a trade-off (on price, or features, or polish) for being first, these adopters are promised the features when they are ready. The nay-saying around Tesla is immense, even in these early HN comments. Obviously there's some risk here,…

this really comes off as "look over there" move to distract from the recent negative press as various government bodies take Tesla to task for not only the lack of performance with the current system but also its ridiculous name.

Sorry, but I seriously doubt they will have sufficient hardware installed to take it to level 4 or 5. It might be a stretch to get to 3 with anything they can deploy today simply because no one has demonstrated a real world working solution for these tiers. Oh you might be able to track demo one or controlled loop it.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

#107

Will this new neural net and hardware be capable of advanced object detection? For instance if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it's safe to run over without stopping. Would a system like this just see an obstacle via radar and emergency brake? Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image/video datasets in the world to tr…

> Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image/video datasets in the world to train their models As of August, Google's self-driving cars have 2 million miles of real on-road experience, while Tesla's Autopilot systems have 140 million. They're beaming back data to Tesla the whole time.

My understanding is because Tesla has to send their data over the cell network it is first heavily processed/reduced by the cars onboard computer before being sent back (in order to conserve bandwidth). So I am not sure if it's fair to compare the 2 company's datasets based on miles driven alone.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.

Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Pilot here as well, unfortunately, it's a fight that won't be easy to win. If in the mind of people, Autopilot means self driving. It's going to be hard to change the global perception.

When I'm using the Autopilot, I feel like I'm in my airplane, always on guard, and in a practice of recovery from unusual attitude in flight.

There are a few times also where being an engineer has helped a lot. You can pretty much predict the situations where the car will run into issues and conflicts ahead of time, just by looking at the scenario in front of you.

It's something that the majority of population is not trained to do.

Now having said that, I used to own a BMW X5 with Adaptive Cruise Control, and that car was also doing some pretty stupid things at times, especially when cars in front were moving out of the way. The car would suddenly think the way was clear and floor the accelerator...

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

#110

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

This is a big deal, actually. It's a EULA for cars.

This is the biggest part of the announcement.

Absolutely monstrous.

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