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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by grzm »

thesimon wrote: post #5

>While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. But not software and they don't even have confidence in their current implementation? It's not surprising considering the…

> But not software and they don't even have confidence in their current implementation.

I think it's quite forward thinking for them to include the hardware when it's ready, knowing they can update the software in the future. And I'd prefer them to be conservative in rolling out the software for an automobile. Not something I'd want to see beta tested on the highway.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by niftich »

Is this a formal model-year revision/refresh, or just a midyear 'minor revision' thing (despite being a major revision?) Are old models retrofittable? Will this hurt the resale value of existing Teslas that have the last generation hardware?

Is there an industry-standard (or governmental) safety test that these autonomous systems have to go through to evaluate their efficacy and performance in different scenarios?

(edit: clarified the first sentence)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by mklarmann »

marricks wrote: post #2

Quite interesting that while this is happening, > Tesla's with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware Which makes sense, as they'll be pulling in all that new data from the sensors. I guess people won't be too disappointed owning a car that will eventually be able to be fully autonomous!

yes, that is why this announcement was necessary. Otherwise people would have been confused with their new cars.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by thesimon »

grzm wrote: post #11
thesimon wrote: post #5

>While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. But not software and they don't even have confidence in their current implementation? It's not surprising considering the…

> But not software and they don't even have confidence in their current implementation. I think it's quite forward thinking for them to include the hardware when it's ready, knowing they can update the software in the future. And I'd prefer them to be conservative in rolling out the software for an automobile. Not something I'd want to see beta tested on the highway.

>Not something I'd want to see beta tested on the highway.

It's not like the previous-gen cars aren't on the highway at the moment. Or has "autopilot" been deactivated in the meanwhile?

I understand their step to add better sensors for the future (even though it seems difficult without LIDAR). But disabling autopilot for new cars with better sensors and keeping it enabled for older ones seems like a strange step.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by whicks »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #7

> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…

Tesla is known for doing things without precedent. They also have the ability to push major updates OTA to their vehicles, which is what enables them to give "less" while promising more. Like the release said, they'll have the hardware, it just needs to be enabled.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by simonsarris »

How interesting. So up-coming Tesla drivers temporarily won't get fancy features.

For a time, new Tesla buyers again become early adopters. But unlike traditional early adopters, who take a trade-off (on price, or features, or polish) for being first, these adopters are promised the features when they are ready.

The nay-saying around Tesla is immense, even in these early HN comments. Obviously there's some risk here, but man. Tesla is sowing the seeds of the future.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by wmf »

mklarmann wrote: post #10

It was already announced before, that the hardware is included. And it was clear, that it is meant to be used for autonomous driving. And as they do not have autonomous driving yet, this is indeed just hot air... How would they know it is completed if there is no demonstration of it actually working?

Looking at what is not said, my interpretation is that previous Teslas will not be software-upgraded to full autonomy because the problem is harder than they previously thought.
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