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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by troncheadle »

stult wrote: post #57
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #7

> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…

I'm totally just guessing, but possibly they still need training data for the new hardware configuration which they will collect from the newly sold cars. They could pay testers to drive them around for a while to generate that data or just roll it out to the public and crowd source the problem. They deliver less functionality at launch but start generating revenue earlier. Most large car companies don't mind deferri…

That is what the press release says.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by WalterBright »

thesimon wrote: post #62
simonsarris wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see where you're coming from, but think that's a calculated risk. From a PR perspective it generates buzz, sounds ambitious, and reflects their ambition. If you ask anybody today, "what company is interested in self-driving cars?" Their answer is going to be Tesla. They're not gonna say Apple, or Ford or Volvo or Mercedes or Mobileye or Intel. They're gonna point straight to Tesla. A big part of that is their "inac…

>From a PR perspective, the name was a solid gold decision. I doubt it. It creates false hopes and probably hurted/hurts them when crashs happen. The Tesla autopilot death in June was a really big thing, yet other crashes where assistant systems of other manufacturers are never in the press. Maybe because of the name, maybe because the drivers use them better? Also look at what happened recently in Germany: 1. Basica…

The autopilot in an airplane cannot be used without a pilot paying attention, either, but it is still called an autopilot. (For example, autopilots do not avoid traffic on a collision course.)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dyarosla »

phsource wrote: post #53
dyarosla wrote: post #35

Who's providing all this hardware? EIGHT surround cameras and TWELVE ultrasonic sensors: Are they building this in house too? If not, that's a lot of business to a supplier... all I could find about camera suppliers for Tesla was their former camera (tech?) supplier Mobileye.

EDIT: Ignore the first paragraph below; @dyarosia mentioned correctly they're working on their own vision system, so they probably buy generic camera units. (IGNORE THIS: The surround cameras are likely still in collaboration with Mobileye, since in their case, Mobileye doesn't just give the camera hardware but also has a fair bit of software that makes all the cameras come together. It's not too likely Tesla's dupli…

But I thought that they had gone separate ways? ""When Tesla refused to cancel its own vision development activities and plans for deployment, Mobileye discontinued hardware support for future platforms and released public statements implying that this discontinuance was motivated by safety concerns"

from

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/tesla-says-mobileye-balked-af...

And yes ofc, the LiDAR absence is interesting; just not what I'm asking about here.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Element_ »

Will this new neural net and hardware be capable of advanced object detection?

For instance if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it's safe to run over without stopping. Would a system like this just see an obstacle via radar and emergency brake?

Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image/video datasets in the world to train their models. I wonder how google and tesla systems would compare.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dyarosla »

nodesocket wrote: post #23

Was there an event or video? Seems strange that Elon delayed this announcement from Monday if it's just a blog post (press release).

Commented above too but it looks like making a video took the extra few days: "Will post video of a Tesla navigating a complex urban environment shortly. That was what took the extra couple of days." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/788902908175618049

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by blhack »

thesimon wrote: post #70

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

Whoa...reading that doesn't rub me the right way at all. I trust Tesla, though, so maybe I'm misreading/misinterpreting it.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by taneq »

amluto wrote: post #48

> To make sense of all of this data, a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision, sonar and radar processing software. 40 times the performance of a Tegra 3 is not particularly impressive. Also, I sincerely hope that this new faster computer doesn't also run a web browser.

A separation between the running gear of the car, and its entertainment center / user interface, is absolutely vital if we don't want to see an endless stream of "hackers offed Public Figure X by driving their car into a bridge" in the news.

It boggles me that anyone even considers running things like antilock brakes, car security, and especially self-driving capability from an internet-connected device, no matter how nice and convenient it may be.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by umeshunni »

modeless wrote: post #6

So self-driving will be a standard feature of Model 3, not an option? Pretty cool if they can make it work. I'm skeptical that the computer (NVIDIA Drive PX 2 perhaps?) will have enough power to do it all without LIDAR.

The hardware will be standard (as it is for Model S & X).

You can unlock it at purchase as option for $X or after purchase for $X+$Y (currently X=5000 and Y=1000).

I suspect they'll do the same for Model 3.

What's even more interesting is that at times, since the feature is entirely in software, offered 30-day trials for users to try out autopilot.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dyarosla »

thesimon wrote: post #70

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

So is this confirmation that they are launching essentially a driverless Tesla-brand Uber competitor?
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