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Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by awesomerobot »

dogma1138 wrote: post #74
lillian-lemmer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such. But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things wo…

I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....

It seems weird to say "this shitty thing happens to me too" and instead of commiserating and saying "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you essentially say "stop complaining."

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

#102

Post by detaro »

dang wrote: post #44
[deleted] wrote: post #40

[deleted]

> It's strange that this disappeared from the front page so suddenly Users flagged it.

I wonder if the downranking flagged-but-not-dead submissions is actually helpful. It often creates misunderstandings if an active discussion get "vanishes". To me it seems like things that should be removed get completely killed relatively quickly.

Maybe removing the rank penalty of flags, or massively weakening it if there are already some comments present would be useful. On the other hand, controversial submissions staying on the front page leads to more activity, "heating" it up. Still, I think that might be something worth looking into, if you haven't already.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by dogma1138 »

awesomerobot wrote: post #101
dogma1138 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....

It seems weird to say "this shitty thing happens to me too" and instead of commiserating and saying "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you essentially say "stop complaining."

"this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you are not going to abolish "harassment" (I intentionally used quotation marks I don't some one who uses slur or thinks you shouldn't exist as harassment just another idiot with an opinion...) from human cloture it's included in the price you pay for living in a free society where free speech is an actuality and not a slogan. You won't cure the world of idiots, troll, or even simply cruel people and the price you'll pay in trying is way too high for my taste.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by enraged_camel »

DanBC wrote: post #21
ChrisClark wrote: post #2

What the fuck is wrong with these GamerGate idiots? Is it a mental illness or something?

You see behaviour you dislike and don't understand and you can say either "they are unpleasant people" or "they are unpleasant people and they have a mental illness". Probability tells us the first is more probable. This is the conjunction fallacy, and you need to address it because stigmatising people with mental illness causes those people harm, and doesn't help address the actual problem (which is that some people…

>>which is that some people are arseholes

A lot of people who are assholes aren't actually assholes, but suffer from a mental disorder such as asperger's syndrome. By lumping all of them under the offensive label "asshole" I'd posit that you are the one stigmatizing them.

Regardless, I think the question we need to ask ourselves is this: what is it about the gamer community, and specifically the "GamerGate" sub-community, that attracts such people? And what can we do about it?

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by fche »

ChrisClark wrote: post #2

What the fuck is wrong with these GamerGate idiots? Is it a mental illness or something?

Randi's accusation about actual gamergate participation in her recent freebsd ordeal consists entirely of:

"GamerGate hopped onto all of this."

No claims of gamergate people actually doing anything, just hopping.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by Jogyn »

bendbro wrote: post #12

Notice that this blog post provides zero in the way of evidence. Before assuming everything written here is true, it would be worthwhile to fact check.

I agree this is basically a work of fiction until someone can fact check all this. "A reporter stalked me on twitter" rolls eyes

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by Pharaoh2 »

lillian-lemmer wrote: post #96
eeZi wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for responding. > If you look at it from an outside perspective, both sides are right. That's kinda how it feels to me. In most of the conflicts I've read about, one side is right (look at this - if what she writes is true - and there's no reason for me to believe otherwise, how would you reasonably argue against that?, but then I read about "safe spaces" at universities and can only think how dumb of an id…

Please trust me when I say safe spaces are crucial, especially to trans survival. I wish you knew how... devastatingly lonely it can be as an outcast in society. How everyone treats you. Solidarity is really important. Can you also imagine who you are constantly being criticized? Your problems constantly being made out to be false? That you have the burden of proof with everyone because nobody knows your struggle? I…

I absolutely agree that every society should be able to provide a welcoming and safe environment for every person. But do you think that a safe space is the best way to do it? I may be wrong, but it looks like a exclusionary step that most societies have fought hard to remove.

The way I understand it, safe space is not only a place where people can a particular group of people are "protected" but also a place where idea can grow without any challenge or even merit. Do you think that is a good idea? I may be totally wrong about what a safe space is, but this is the impression I have got till now.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by awesomerobot »

kev009 wrote: post #6

I know most of the people involved in this and it's just a shit sandwich. Randi wanted a person crucified, that's not how companies and foundations function, and thankfully so. I hope she finds success in new endeavors and am sad she had to leave under gross circumstance.

that's not how companies and foundations function

What?

If a co-worker started disparaging me on Facebook and sharing private chat logs publicly... they'd be reprimanded at the very least, and if the behavior continued they'd be gone.

This is exactly why companies have HR policies.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by isolate »

Pharaoh2 wrote: post #93
isolate wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why it's in quotes.

How the hell is gamergate about the "right" to threaten? No one who isn't a troll will argue that anyone has that right. What do games have to do with the right to threaten?

Again, that's why it's in quotes. Everyone agrees with you. Here, have an upvote.
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