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Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by DanBC »

ChrisClark wrote: post #2

What the fuck is wrong with these GamerGate idiots? Is it a mental illness or something?

You see behaviour you dislike and don't understand and you can say either "they are unpleasant people" or "they are unpleasant people and they have a mental illness".

Probability tells us the first is more probable.

This is the conjunction fallacy, and you need to address it because stigmatising people with mental illness causes those people harm, and doesn't help address the actual problem (which is that some people are arseholes).

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by geofft »

draw_down wrote: post #4
Tomte wrote: post #3

She's talking about some guy and his "campaign to legalize rape". I thought she was exaggerating or maybe misunderstanding something. Sure, this guy is probably an asshole, but legalizing rape, come on! I followed the link and... it is kind of almost entertaining. He means it. Literally. You can't stop reading that trainwreck of an argument, because it gets worse and worse. And then you've lost all hope in mankind. I…

He writes such extreme things to get a reaction (and a following of complete morons). Attention is oxygen in that business. Not that that makes it any better of course. Notice how you said it's "almost entertaining", well, that's what he's aiming for.

OK, so if that's true, then by treating him as a legitimate member of the community and not making any sort of statement against his views, the FreeBSD project is giving him attention, and they should stop doing that. Which is exactly what Randi asked for.

It's one thing if you keep your horrible-person persona separate from your technical one (as e.g. the Strange Loop thing earlier this year), although I still think it's legitimate to say that's too much. But when someone is deliberately tying their work in a project with their views that drive out other people from that same project, it's not giving them attention to kick them out. It's giving them attention to keep them in.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by andallas »

andallas wrote: post #17
ChrisClark wrote: post #2

What the fuck is wrong with these GamerGate idiots? Is it a mental illness or something?

What does this have to do with GamerGate? This is a feminist talking about an MRA, neither of those things are GamerGate... I feel like you have conflated the issues a bit maybe?

I went back and counted, there are 6 mentions of GamerGate (not including the tag) and all of them are anecdotal references by FreeBSDGirl. In fact, the primary article in question (the guy that wants to legalize rape) doesn't mention GamerGate at all, or even remotely allude to it.

P.S. Thanks for the downvote rather than a reply. It really shows your willingness to talk about issues and not just jump to conclusions...

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by dietrichepp »

thanksalot wrote: post #19

What did she contribute to FreeBSD? It appears she was involved with marketing and after bullying a bunch of nerds who fought back FreeBSD didn't want her using their trademark.

Did you read the article? She says she was a committer.

> Eventually, with the help of the dev community answering some of my basic questions and with Colin reviewing my code, I finally found my place in the project. I was still a senior sysadmin, but I got really angry because I couldn’t install FreeBSD from a usb thumbdrive. This seemed so easy. So, I drank some scotch (probably too much scotch) and started digging through sysinstall code. I didn’t really know C at that point. I learned C just so I could fix that. Then I started working on a few other things with sysinstall, like autodetection of network devices that have an active link.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by andallas »

dietrichepp wrote: post #20
kev009 wrote: post #6

I know most of the people involved in this and it's just a shit sandwich. Randi wanted a person crucified, that's not how companies and foundations function, and thankfully so. I hope she finds success in new endeavors and am sad she had to leave under gross circumstance.

"Randi wanted a person crucified…" I didn't see that in the article, could you point us to that information?

I agree with you, but I think they were talking about past events maybe? Their is a history between FreeBSDGirl and the roosh guy. (By history, I mean going back and forth online, not a personal history).

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by unimpressive »

geofft wrote: post #22
draw_down wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He writes such extreme things to get a reaction (and a following of complete morons). Attention is oxygen in that business. Not that that makes it any better of course. Notice how you said it's "almost entertaining", well, that's what he's aiming for.

OK, so if that's true, then by treating him as a legitimate member of the community and not making any sort of statement against his views, the FreeBSD project is giving him attention, and they should stop doing that. Which is exactly what Randi asked for. It's one thing if you keep your horrible-person persona separate from your technical one (as e.g. the Strange Loop thing earlier this year), although I still think…

Not that it's worth a whole lot, but Mr. 'legalize rape' Roosh and the person being discussed in the OP are separate persons. The latter is explicit friends with the former.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by [deleted] »

draw_down wrote: post #4
Tomte wrote: post #3

She's talking about some guy and his "campaign to legalize rape". I thought she was exaggerating or maybe misunderstanding something. Sure, this guy is probably an asshole, but legalizing rape, come on! I followed the link and... it is kind of almost entertaining. He means it. Literally. You can't stop reading that trainwreck of an argument, because it gets worse and worse. And then you've lost all hope in mankind. I…

He writes such extreme things to get a reaction (and a following of complete morons). Attention is oxygen in that business. Not that that makes it any better of course. Notice how you said it's "almost entertaining", well, that's what he's aiming for.

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Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by lillian-lemmer »

geofft wrote: post #22
draw_down wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He writes such extreme things to get a reaction (and a following of complete morons). Attention is oxygen in that business. Not that that makes it any better of course. Notice how you said it's "almost entertaining", well, that's what he's aiming for.

OK, so if that's true, then by treating him as a legitimate member of the community and not making any sort of statement against his views, the FreeBSD project is giving him attention, and they should stop doing that. Which is exactly what Randi asked for. It's one thing if you keep your horrible-person persona separate from your technical one (as e.g. the Strange Loop thing earlier this year), although I still think…

He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such.

But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things work.

EDIT TO CLARIFY: the man I'm referring to is the FreeBSD contributor Randi Harper speaks of in the article, not the voosh guy.

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