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The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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> Ritualize No thanks. This is the first thing I started to dislike about being raised Catholic, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I'm the opposite - I miss the community and its events. There's a growing Humanist community where I live precisely for that reason. The vast majority of the population are Catholic so life revolves around Catholic rituals, whether we like it or not. It's great to have secular alternatives for marriages, funerals and baptisms.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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post #5

What we "need" is for people to worship Jesus Christ and get their butts to church.

Well, we're gonna be downvoted to hacker hell, but I agree. "it was good for my dear old daddy / and my dear old mommy too...i don't need nothing new"

If you're down-voted, it's only because you make an invasive requirement of people without explaining yourself.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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> Ritualize No thanks. This is the first thing I started to dislike about being raised Catholic, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

check out the Less Wrong Solstice Celebration [0]. It tries to establish a pretty formal ritual with humanist/rational values. I have no personal experience, though.

[0] http://lesswrong.com/lw/8x5/ritual_report_nyc_less_wrong_sol...

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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The US used to have that. You can still see the remnants if you look. Rotary International, Kiwanis International, the Independent Order of Foresters, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, the National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry - all those secular fraternal organizations still exist.

The core of these organizations was small business owners, a group which once ran their small towns, and no longer does. Some of those organizations existed to push back against big business, especially railroads, back when railroads had a monopoly on shipments to small towns. That function evaporated as trucks took over.

Rotary has a moral code, the Rotary Four-Way Test:

    Is it the TRUTH?
    Is it FAIR to all concerned?
    Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
    Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?
That's a morality for business people, created by business people. It seems archaic today. It was once taken quite seriously.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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post #16
post #5

What we "need" is for people to worship Jesus Christ and get their butts to church.

This need to be worshipped is what I found to be the most bizarre characteristic of deities. Seriously, why would someone who can create space, time, universe and everything care the slightest bit about whether or not a bunch of Homo sapiens perform all these weird acts that worshipping entails? Too needy.

Maybe the need is not for God but for us?

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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post #16
post #5

What we "need" is for people to worship Jesus Christ and get their butts to church.

This need to be worshipped is what I found to be the most bizarre characteristic of deities. Seriously, why would someone who can create space, time, universe and everything care the slightest bit about whether or not a bunch of Homo sapiens perform all these weird acts that worshipping entails? Too needy.

In the specific case of Jehova, Eph 2:7 addresses this question: "So God can point to us in all future ages as examples of the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us who are united with Christ Jesus." -NLT

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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I liked the article, but this is like the cultural equivalent of Not Invented Here. Does it really matter that organized Christianity believes that a guy woke up from the dead? If you want a sense of community and the rituals that go along with it, then you could absolutely join a church of your choosing and just not believe in zombie messiahs.

The wife and I have been talking about this at great length as of late. We are not wired to believe in the supernatural, but I am having a hard time coming up with reasons why that would prevent us from finding a church to go to. It does limit which churches might be accepting of us, as I will not be handling snakes or washing anyone's feet. But as churches get more and more devoid of fundamentalism (a survival maneuver), they become more and more like the thing being talked about in the fine article. Maybe it'll all meet in the middle one day.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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post #4

I wonder if an "organized secularism" would only copy some the problems found in organized religion. Do people become less religious only because of a rejection of the supernatural, or for other reasons as well? I think some people become less religious for two additional reasons as well: "shared values" and "rituals." A set of shared values is nice until it fails to change in response to changes in the values of ind…

>Do people become less religious only because of a rejection of the supernatural, or for other reasons as well?

Sociologically, people mostly become less religious when they feel that they control their own fate, and feel no need to ask for divine intervention. Hence why societies grow less religious as they grow rich and egalitarian, while highly unequal and/or poor societies have a tendency towards greater levels of religiosity.

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