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I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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proveanegative wrote: post #453
9872 wrote: post #408

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How's that different from listening to any other human you interact with? Is it somehow worse because it's a computer rather than a human? That's the kind of bigotry that gets you robot uprisings.

I'll bite. Your mind is wired by evolution to assess, evaluate and react to human behavior. It is equipped to defend you another humans' attempts to influence your behavior for their own ends when you interact with them in person. Software that you run daily should be able to bypass those built-in protections in a more subtle and personalized manner than traditional advertising or propaganda could ever dream of. In a…

By evolution, or by socialization?

And if it is by evolution, that immediately presents the trivial solution that we will naturally evolve to relate better to machines, making this a nonissue.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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papapra wrote: post #516
9872 wrote: post #408

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How's that different from listening to any other human you interact with? Is it somehow worse because it's a computer rather than a human? That's the kind of bigotry that gets you robot uprisings.

It's different in the sense that you know that your firend cares about you, where as for software you can't be sure if it's in your interests.

If you were a woman, you'd have two dozen kids by now.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by 9872 »

Filthy_casual wrote: post #474
9872 wrote: post #408

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How's that different from listening to any other human you interact with? Is it somehow worse because it's a computer rather than a human? That's the kind of bigotry that gets you robot uprisings.

Are you saying that listening to what you have to say and writing what you have to say on wikipedia is the same thing?

Are you hung up with the speech vs text thing? Because that's so not the point.

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insoluble wrote: post #559
omarforgotpwd wrote: post #509

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Exploits for popular SSL libraries are discovered all the time. Surely you haven't already forgotten about "heartbleed" and the vulnerabilities that followed. I'm sure the NSA knows of several other exploits that they are keeping quiet so they can keep using it, and they may even attempt to deliberately introduce vulnerabilities. Furthermore, even without an exploit TLS connections can be decrypted by anyone with a t…

> Connections could be decrypted ... This is only true using a man-in-the-middle from the initiation of the connection. SSL/TLS sends random PKI keys at the start of a connection. The trusted CA keys are used only for identity (so you know you are really connected to xyz.com). After all, you can have SSL/TLS connections without a trusted CA. It basically works like this: When you make an SSL/TLS connection, each side…

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Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by evolve2k »

MichaelGG wrote: post #50
ewzimm wrote: post #20

Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant, so I expected to see all these things as defaults. The advanced features just couldn't work without it. I'm glad there's at least an opt-out, but I do think that Windows needs an OS-wide incognito mode, just a simple switch to record or not record data. I generally use that on my browser for whe…

Yeah there should definitely be a "Hey Cortana, off the record,..." query mode. I'm a bit conflicted now. My girls are 7 & 9 and they've been using Microsoft Accounts. With the final Win10 build having all this (none of these settings worked a few months ago), it looks like I've got a lot of reading and explaining to do for them.

One of the best things ive done is to shift my kids onto Linux computers. They really enjoyed "Tux" the built in Mario like game featuring the Linux penguin and it helped them connect with the 'Linux brand'. Now when my kids are wanting to install more advanced things they are naturally exploring package management and typing into the terminal to get a new thing going. Wish I'd had better Unix terminal exposure as a child.

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Post by com2kid »

colordrops wrote: post #482
com2kid wrote: post #377

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> Who wanted that for desktop computers or laptops? Everyone who is switching over to cloud connected OSs on their tablets and smartphones. Why should I have to reinstall and resetup every new computer? My contacts have been following me around on my phone for 8 years now, why the heck shouldn't they be just as accessible from my PC? My favorites, they should always be there. Chrome does a great job of this, it is ni…

I agree that these features all make sense but there is no reason for the invididual's data to have to travel hundreds or thousands of miles through third party servers during a synchronization. It should be no harder than pairing two Bluetooth devices together and then the data will move directly between these devices, or at least encrypted through a third party router. The internet was designed to be decentralized…

p2p connections don't work when one device is borked!

Computing as an appliance, imagine some day logging into any machine in the world and having it setup just as you like.

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Post by dlp211 »

happycube wrote: post #253
snoman wrote: post #211

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Not sure if you're being facetious or not but if you were right then we would just do it on our existing phones now. In the 90s we had slow voice recognition that took a long time to train, that would only ever work for a single user, in a silent room... If it worked at all... Which wasn't very common.

Android's supported on-device speech recognition in the keyboard since like 4.2 (maybe even 4.1)

It's not the words that need to be processed, it's the context.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by dlp211 »

batou wrote: post #384
sliverstorm wrote: post #375

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I don't know about no-one. I have three laptops, one desktop, one media PC, one server, one tablet, and one phone. The cloud movement has been helpful to say the least. Obviously I don't speak for everyone, but I think "no one wanted it" is a stretch.

No one wanted this implementation. There are plenty of ways of solving exactly the problems without the amorphous concept of the cloud without introducing any burden on the user. I have a 3 desktops, 2 laptops, a NAS and 2 servers and have solved the problems transparently without any cloud services.

Yes you did, you just did it at a personal level. Most consumers are not that tech-savvy. Windows may not be for you, but it is for the masses.

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Post by tdkl »

cptskippy wrote: post #298
urda wrote: post #230

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> Their policy states they don't collect personal information or conversation history but that doesn't mean they aren't capturing corrections or things they deem to be non-personal but sound pretty personal to me > Their policy states ... but that doesn't mean they aren't capturing corrections or things they deem to be non-personal but sound pretty personal to me > sound pretty personal to me It's pretty clear actual…

You're wrong though about it having zero factual grounding. They collect data, like everyone else, this is a fact. They state that openly in their privacy policy, they even go so far as to define what they consider personal vs non-personal information. We also know that that Siri collects and transmits a bunch of this "non-personal" information to a 3rd party for analysis. On their QuickType page they say "your conve…

> That's a lie because iMessage and your keyboard Dictionary are synced to iCloud which isn't your device.

Is it opt-in or opt-out ? Because I use iCloud for Safari bookmark sync only and it never bugged me for syncing anything. Local iTunes encrypted backup is fine.

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Post by sqldba »

saiya-jin wrote: post #499
com2kid wrote: post #377

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> Who wanted that for desktop computers or laptops? Everyone who is switching over to cloud connected OSs on their tablets and smartphones. Why should I have to reinstall and resetup every new computer? My contacts have been following me around on my phone for 8 years now, why the heck shouldn't they be just as accessible from my PC? My favorites, they should always be there. Chrome does a great job of this, it is ni…

do you realize, as many others here and everywhere else, do not care a bit about some cloud or anything else? I can install my computers on my own, thank you. the whole discussion about people justifying is a bit ridiculous, to be honest. why don't you all pro-MS or pro-let's-lose-privacy people don't get a single thing - as per moral standards, any kind of option should be disabled by default (meaning 95% or more pe…

What irritates me is the language.

We're making a choice based on a button with a one sentence dumbed down description. But what is the full legally binding extent of what we're agreeing to with each click?

Nobody knows. "We share with our partners". What's being shared? Who are the partners? Who are their partners that will also have access? What's being done with it? Am I personally identifiable?

Etc. Even if they wrote a page for each box, which they haven't, it will still be pointless because there is probably some other waiver in the 300 page EULA.

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