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Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Well I agree that patriarcal culture (of which veils and minarets are symbols) has nothing to do in central/northern europe. I don't care about freedom of religion, I care about being freed from religion. And it sounds like the swiss do too. So if that was suposed to make me think that democracy as opposed to parliamentary regimes is a bad thing, think again.

> that patriarcal culture Funny. Do you know anything at all about Switzerland? (hint: it's a very patriarchal society)

Do you know anything at all about Europe? (hint: Europe ­— particularly the germanic part — is far less patriarchal than north africa and the middle east).

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Well you have to remember that the Swiss have both better income sources (assisting the world's wealthy & many corporations evade/optimize taxes for instance) and don't have military expenses and such due to neutrality. While many problems of the US are of its own creation due to either ideology or wealth dominating politics (healthcare & education spring to mind), it is quite unfair to compare what the Swiss governm…

It's a common meme. The entire financial industry is only about 11% of the GDP (or around 7% if you use a different statistical method). That includes insurance, pensions, etc. The idea that Switzerland is propped up by tax evasion simply isn't true. The UK thought it was true and actually wrote proceeds from better Swiss cooperation over banking records into their budget .... then discovered there was a huge shortfa…

OK, but if a larger percentage of Swiss residents emigrated there for the favorable tax laws than emigrated to the US for the same reason, that could inflate Swiss GDP, i.e., make the Swiss per-capita GDP an overly optimistic measure of what life is like for Swiss residents who haven't acquired wealth outside Switzerland.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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More money would make me happier. I'd give up a few Saturdays for it. One day a week is enough rest. Besides, few pleasures compare to productively working.

I'm a little surprised by the negative reaction. You people don't derive pleasure from working... from the process of building things, from molding reality? I damn sure do. But then again... I'm an American.

Well, it's largely because you're trolling. It worked, too.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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"Currently an estimated 28 percent of all funds held outside the country of origin (sometimes called "offshore" funds) are kept in Switzerland." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Switzerland#Banking It's cute that she even provides numbers and leaves this out. This is the only number you need to know. Everything else is the direct result of this. You know who else does awesome? A closed community of multi-mill…

From the paragraph you quoted:

> In 2003, the financial sector comprised an estimated 11.6% of Switzerland's GDP and employed approximately 196,000 people (136,000 of whom work in the banking sector); this represents about 5.6% of the total Swiss workforce.

So while it's clear that the banking sector is big, it's not the only thing propping up the Swiss economy.

There are other prosperous countries in Europe (e.g. Norway) that don't have a disproportionally large banking sector, and some which do but recently failed (Cyprus, Iceland).

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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"Driving Bentleys ruined me for BMWs and their poor make quality" Switzerland is one of... three maybe (Luxemburg, Norway) countries with higher standard of living than the US. Not even Switzerland's neighbours (Italy, France, Germany) with people coming from the same populations can reproduce it. All these great states are tiny (8M people) outliers. There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than al…

This doesn't sound hugely informed. I spent the evening discussing this yesterday with Americans in a beer garden in Munich. Actually, more than the working conditions, the Americans didn't want to go back because of the guns.

Do you think people just run around with guns in the US? Not everything is as crazy as the news makes it sound. Its definitely a problem, but its not like were living in constant fear

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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That's one of the most pernicious things about the US tax system though. Because citizens get taxed by both the USA and the country they're in, it strongly disincentivises people from ever moving abroad (unless they revoke their US citizenship). This leads to Americans never really discovering, en masse, what life in foreign countries can be like. They're just tourist destinations.

not totally true, you are not taxed up to 100k while working abroad. see "Foreign Earned Income Exclusion".

This and unless your country of residence has lower tax rates than the US you merely end up filing, not paying the US. If the tax rate is lower, then the tax hit is what you'd pay in the US less the foreign tax credit. Only thing would be tax free income in your country of residence that is taxable in the US...

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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It's too expensive. In regards of programming jobs, sometimes it's like living 40 years ago. Racism is annoying, but normal here. And you must be proud of being Swiss. Switzerland is tiny. Finding (and keeping) friends here can be hard, because if you even dare to fart, the whole village knows about it within seconds. And you shouldn't use your brain too much, so you can keep up with the others. But I'm pretty sure t…

It's too expensive. So's SF. In regards of programming jobs, sometimes it's like living 40 years ago. You program with punch cards? 40 years ago was 1975. Racism is annoying, but normal here. And you must be proud of being Swiss. You say that like it's a bad thing, but it's a big reason I like Switzerland. Life's too short to be ashamed of who you are. Switzerland is tiny. Finding (and keeping) friends here can be ha…

Dont act like SF is the average place to live in the US

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Isn't Switzerland one of the few countries with a higher proportion of adults having guns than the US ?

It is, because they get them after serving mandatory time in the military. So more or less every swiss man has a military grade weapon at home. Only in newer times the ammunition is stored in special houses in each community. Before, they had their ammo at home.

They're also rifles, not handguns - and it's handguns that are the problem in the US. Around 75-80% of firearm murders in the US are by handguns.
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