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High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by tankenmate »

zumtar wrote: post #11
raverbashing wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why am I not surprised? I wouldn't put it past the fact that the high schooler probably knows how to google better than the "phd" "Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs" Oh wow, lovely…

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

And indeed you'll find that Irish protestants in general tended to immigrate to the southern US states and the Catholics were more likely to immigrate to the northern US states (such as they existed at the time). Even till today you'll find a higher ratio of Protestant Irish to Catholic Irish in Georgia than Massachusetts for example.

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Post by Trombone12 »

lotharbot wrote: post #12
LoSboccacc wrote: post #2

Well one had to say the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy even before the article started digging out the evidence that reseaecher somehow missed.

> "the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy" Not really. The one thing he's correct about is that, if NINA was a real and widespread phenomenon, it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era -- newspaper want ads, for example (we actually have fairly large archives from the relevant era; it's not like something from thousands of years ago where it's plausible tha…

Following the links from the OP, I see the first researcher states there are fewer than 2 NINA ads per decade in the Brooklyn Eagle, while following the example of the search I counted more than 8 ads in Brooklyn Eagle from the 1870ies before giving up the point as discredited.

I wonder if the big reason for these completely different results in the underlying counting experiment is that the later research was done after ocr had improved so much that the searches had very different samples of the papers.

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Post by task_queue »

DanBC wrote: post #21
kevingadd wrote: post #7

Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs. He said that believing that No Irish Need Apply Signs existed was the Irish equivalent of believing in leprechauns. Here is what Jensen wrote more…

It's especially baffling because he accepts that newspaper ads saying "no irish need apply" were common, but that the signs on the buildings did not exist. Even if that's true it's weird to then say that Irish people were delusionally perpetuating their victimhood.

It isn't so weird if he delusionally accepted his hypothesis from the get go.

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by nailer »

zumtar wrote: post #19
School-Cotton wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they really consider themselves "Irish", though?

Yes, of course they did. They were Irish, but the unionists agreed (along with Great Britain) that Ireland should be ruled by the King and be under British rule, and subsequently they all adopt the "British" sect of Christianity (Anglicanism).

> Yes, of course they did.

Protestants in what is now Northern Ireland could consider themselves eg, 'Ulster Scots'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by nailer »

aaron695 wrote: post #28

Australian bricklayer employment ad says “No Irish” need apply (2012) http://www.irishcentral.com/news/australian-bricklayer-emplo... Totally irrelevant to the conversation other than perhaps the myths/realities/realities that become myths/myths that become realities perhaps traverse time. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=irish+need+not+ap...

Australia's pretty backward about this stuff. E.g. example: someone on HN yesterday was saying Jeremy Clarkson (from the UK) wasn't old enough to remember the racist version of 'eeny meeny miny mo'. I remember it and I was born in Australia in the 80s.

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Post by [deleted] »

aaron695 wrote: post #28

Australian bricklayer employment ad says “No Irish” need apply (2012) http://www.irishcentral.com/news/australian-bricklayer-emplo... Totally irrelevant to the conversation other than perhaps the myths/realities/realities that become myths/myths that become realities perhaps traverse time. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=irish+need+not+ap...

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Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by justwannasing »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #10

It's really interesting that, at least at that time and in that place, there appeared to be more employment discrimination against Irish than African-Americans. I noticed that several of the job ads would accept "colored" applicants, but not Irish. Edit: "that" -> "than".

At one time it was true for Hungarians, too.

Oh, no. Don't tell me this is going to be trending now.

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by epochwolf »

goodcanadian wrote: post #48

I didn't think the existence of such signs was a contested bit of history. I guess you can find apparently qualified people espousing all sorts of nonsense.

There are people denying the holocaust. An event for which plenty of historical evidence exists. People will believe what they want to believe.

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by Lorento »

It's funny how blind people are to the same thing happening today. Most employers openly refuse people based on their nationality and we are perfectly accepting of that, even enforcing it with the law!

I wonder if people in another 100 years will think it's wrong to discriminate against people because of who their parents were.

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