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High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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> I’m the PhD who wrote the original article. I’m delighted a high school student worked so hard and wrote so well. He's certainly not doing himself any favors with this condescending appeal to authority. In general, the exchange between Jensen and Fried is a perfect example of how to handle a nasty person with grace.

Why am I not surprised? I wouldn't put it past the fact that the high schooler probably knows how to google better than the "phd" "Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs" Oh wow, lovely…

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no?

Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Well one had to say the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy even before the article started digging out the evidence that reseaecher somehow missed.

> "the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy"

Not really. The one thing he's correct about is that, if NINA was a real and widespread phenomenon, it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era -- newspaper want ads, for example (we actually have fairly large archives from the relevant era; it's not like something from thousands of years ago where it's plausible that no documentation would have survived.) His problem was that he didn't look deeply enough, and once he drew the initial wrong conclusion, he invented a totally wrong theory to explain it.

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Well one had to say the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy even before the article started digging out the evidence that reseaecher somehow missed.

> "the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy" Not really. The one thing he's correct about is that, if NINA was a real and widespread phenomenon, it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era -- newspaper want ads, for example (we actually have fairly large archives from the relevant era; it's not like something from thousands of years ago where it's plausible tha…

> it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era

True. I think what he assumed was that it would show in other types of documents (like discrimination lawsuits, news showing revolt of the Irish against this policy, etc)

But I suspect this was very common and accepted, unfortunately.

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why am I not surprised? I wouldn't put it past the fact that the high schooler probably knows how to google better than the "phd" "Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs" Oh wow, lovely…

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

I know that, I'm more wondering what was the amount that immigrated to the US (in relation to Catholic Irish)

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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> I’m the PhD who wrote the original article. I’m delighted a high school student worked so hard and wrote so well. He's certainly not doing himself any favors with this condescending appeal to authority. In general, the exchange between Jensen and Fried is a perfect example of how to handle a nasty person with grace.

he apparently is the real life incarnate of "tl;dr"

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why am I not surprised? I wouldn't put it past the fact that the high schooler probably knows how to google better than the "phd" "Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs" Oh wow, lovely…

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

Did they really consider themselves "Irish", though?

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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It's not exactly hard to prove that this used to appear in newspapers all the time. A 10 second search on the LOC website shows a ton of examples of this phrase appearing in papers across America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?stat...

Professor Jensen should be ashamed of himself for failing to conduct even the most trivial searches for this information.

Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

Did they really consider themselves "Irish", though?

Yes, of course they did.

They were Irish, but the unionists agreed (along with Great Britain) that Ireland should be ruled by the King and be under British rule, and subsequently they all adopt the "British" sect of Christianity (Anglicanism).

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