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I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #190

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"Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant." Who wanted that for desktop computers or laptops? This is not going to fly with business customers. Microsoft has already bombed twice in the business space, with Windows Vista and Windows 8. This looks like another bomb. Windows 7 is still pretty good, and it will probably be the main Microso…

Absolutely no one wanted it. No one asked for it. We were spun a load of marketing disguised as listening and attention. This turned out to be exactly what Microsoft wanted which was another aggressive move against customers both business and consumer. Despite all this the noise and confusion and dubious love for the products is shining out of the arses of every non technical news source. What did we expect? I've lef…

> Absolutely no one wanted it. No one asked for it.

How so? Billions of people choose to pay for services/software with their privacy these days. Microsoft isn't to blame for that. If anything they were really late to the party

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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This was also recently brought to my attention: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9973629 Windows 10 RTM has peer to peer updates over the internet as the default. I could swear it defaulted to local-only in the preview, so I didn't even check it until now after doing a clean install of RTM.

P2P by default except on the enterprise edition, in which case it's local network only. They also claim to disable P2P if they detect your internet connection is metered (I'm not sure how that's done).

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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This was also recently brought to my attention: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9973629 Windows 10 RTM has peer to peer updates over the internet as the default. I could swear it defaulted to local-only in the preview, so I didn't even check it until now after doing a clean install of RTM.

P2P by default except on the enterprise edition, in which case it's local network only. They also claim to disable P2P if they detect your internet connection is metered (I'm not sure how that's done).

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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I find it shocking how people readily accept Google's far worse policies, and yet are so concerned about an easy opt out. For instance, in Android, Google tracks with GPS accuracy your whereabouts constantly. This isn't just what IP your desktop is attached to. Furthermore, there is no prompt telling you this happens with a very easy way of undoing. In fact even if you knew about this it is very hard to find a way to…

>I find it shocking how people readily accept Google's far worse policies

I find it shocking how hypocritical Microsoft was towards Google all these years only to find out their even worse than Google because they baked these privacy "violations" into their browser.

>Secondly, Chrome send every website you visit to their servers to be logged

Utter bullshit. I don't login to Chrome when I use it and none of my URL's are sent to Google.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #248

It's too bad that microsoft continues to be villainized when companies like Facebook and Google have social networks and browsers respectively that have similar practices that users are even more unaware of when they use them. Computers these days have become thin clients for browsers (especially for the typical consumer). Except for the occasional open of Word or Excel, you're in your web browser browsing the web an…

Facebook and Google don't create shill organizations or hire political hitmen to create smear campaigns on the topic of privacy. Microsoft just solidified what hypocrites they really are. I guess they'll think twice about attacking Google again.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Who wanted that for desktop computers or laptops? I did. Linux and OSX are still available for whoever wants them. You can stick with Windows 7 if you want, that's just fine. I like Cortana. I like my software knowing what I like and what I'm interested in. It makes my life easier, which is what computers were invented for. I can see why some people might not, and to be fair I use Linux on my work laptop because the…

I like my software knowing what I like and what I'm interested in. It makes my life easier, which is what computers were invented for. Philosophical question: is it really your life, if your software may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if it hadn't been making the suggestions to influence you? There is no doubt it will make things easier for you if all you do is effectiv…

Along those lines, how dangerous is the "filter bubble" effect? Totally a reasonable social psychological/philosophical question, IMHO.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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It's possible to do all this personalization without giving away your data to advertisers. Unfortunately Microsoft chose not to. Why do people seem to gloss over the fact that we can implement these technologies without losing privacy? e.g. voice recognition has been possible on home computers for decades now. You don't need the cloud for it.

> Why do people seem to gloss over the fact that we can implement these technologies without losing privacy? e.g. voice recognition has been possible on home computers for decades now. You don't need the cloud for it. The experience is not quite the same. We have voice recognition since at least late 90's but you have to spend long hours training (> 20 hrs) in order to have a decent result (not even comparable). The…

My colleague wrote his diploma thesis with a voice recognition software (the market leader) because he sucks at typing. Desktop voice recognition can't be that bad.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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gok covered this fairly well in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9978755 It's a big, really big dataset, and things get far better the more data you have. In order to even have it, let alone keep it up to date, a significant amount of space and memory would be needed.

That dataset contains languages and accents that are not relevant to me. It could easily be culled to a size where it's no compromise on language+region of birth alone.

It's multiple gigabytes for a single language and accent. I wasn't even talking about the full dataset across languages.

You don't seem to understand the size requirements for getting a good dataset. Don't you think Microsoft would have loaded up the dataset if it was easy and cheap? They didn't have a desktop cloud-based recognition service until literally yesterday, so they had many, many years to include this magical dataset that solves all your problems without cannibalizing another one of its products. They didn't because it's not feasible right now. In the future? Maybe, hell, probably.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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I find it shocking how people readily accept Google's far worse policies, and yet are so concerned about an easy opt out. For instance, in Android, Google tracks with GPS accuracy your whereabouts constantly. This isn't just what IP your desktop is attached to. Furthermore, there is no prompt telling you this happens with a very easy way of undoing. In fact even if you knew about this it is very hard to find a way to…

>I find it shocking how people readily accept Google's far worse policies I find it shocking how hypocritical Microsoft was towards Google all these years only to find out their even worse than Google because they baked these privacy "violations" into their browser. >Secondly, Chrome send every website you visit to their servers to be logged Utter bullshit. I don't login to Chrome when I use it and none of my URL's a…

> Utter bullshit. I don't login to Chrome when I use it and none of my URL's are sent to Google.

Oh so that must mean Google has no way of tracking you on Chrome. You must be so privacy aware!

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Would be nice if he even tried to lookup what these things are used for. It is well known things like OneNote let you search handwritten notes, for example, using fuzzy logic and context. So it is a clear benefit to users. Instead he seemed to just hand wave something negative about each.

Similarly, MS originally defaulted to not allowing cross site advertising identifiers by default and was criticized by organizations that make their money off this like Google and Firefox. Seems like they can't win no matter which default they pick.

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