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What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Before the content even loaded there was a light box that blacked out the content behind it asking for my email.

Do like me and turn off JavaScript by default. The more people we are, the greater the chances that the web remains usable without JavaScript.

I can't remember the last time the teams I've worked on ever mentioned making the site usable for people without JS and people with disabilities. "It's not in the scope!" Ugh.

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Do like me and turn off JavaScript by default. The more people we are, the greater the chances that the web remains usable without JavaScript.

I can't remember the last time the teams I've worked on ever mentioned making the site usable for people without JS and people with disabilities. "It's not in the scope!" Ugh.

I work for a public university, so when we make new sites or webapps we are obliged to make them usable for people with disabilities and we have at least one person who focus only on testing this... but without javascript? That is not even considered. The web IS javascript driven

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Before the content even loaded there was a light box that blacked out the content behind it asking for my email.

Do like me and turn off JavaScript by default. The more people we are, the greater the chances that the web remains usable without JavaScript.

That's like saying "turn off the ability to execute programs on your computer". Nobody's going to seriously start gearing web-dev towards a no-javascript world.

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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I can't remember the last time the teams I've worked on ever mentioned making the site usable for people without JS and people with disabilities. "It's not in the scope!" Ugh.

I work for a public university, so when we make new sites or webapps we are obliged to make them usable for people with disabilities and we have at least one person who focus only on testing this... but without javascript? That is not even considered. The web IS javascript driven

Unlike when serving people with disabilities, which you can't understand and test well if you're not disabled yourself (or specially trained), as a developer you should automatically be aware when you'd exclude people without JS. Nobody special needed for testing, just a resistance to implement navigation with JS only, or worse, JS-only content.

Until now most content-heavy sites (like most university sites) are not problematic for the most part (1). Which I suppose is why there's no complaining till now. By having a healthy community of users with JS disabled, hopefully there will be enough complaints when it gets worse.

(1) the static parts, which is most URLs used during the day. If I encounter a site that requires JS to log in, I'll open a separate browser with JS. If I encounter a page that only shows the content with JS, I just close it unread, unless in the very rare case that it's important to me (most important content is still not relying on JS).

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Do like me and turn off JavaScript by default. The more people we are, the greater the chances that the web remains usable without JavaScript.

That's like saying "turn off the ability to execute programs on your computer". Nobody's going to seriously start gearing web-dev towards a no-javascript world.

We're talking about static content here. I'm asking to read a document, not execute a program.

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Before the content even loaded there was a light box that blacked out the content behind it asking for my email.

As well as being annoying, I just don't get the logic.

Why on earth is anyone going to sign up for your mailing list when at this point, they haven't yet had a chance to read anything on your site?

If you must insist on a sign up box, put it at the end of the article (and preferably after the article, not hiding the text).

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I can't remember the last time the teams I've worked on ever mentioned making the site usable for people without JS and people with disabilities. "It's not in the scope!" Ugh.

I work for a public university, so when we make new sites or webapps we are obliged to make them usable for people with disabilities and we have at least one person who focus only on testing this... but without javascript? That is not even considered. The web IS javascript driven

Web design should always include a graceful degradation spec.

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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Before the content even loaded there was a light box that blacked out the content behind it asking for my email.

There's a big 'X' in the upper right corner of the box you can click to make it go away.

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Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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The author clearly knows more about the Christian practice than the Hebrew (Jewish) one.

> while Hebraic tradition went bigger, declaring six whole cities as places where criminals could take refuge

This is not true. The only sanctuary offered in those cities was if someone accidentally or via negligence killed someone. The relatives were not able to extract blood vengeance in those cities.

That's it. It was not for criminals. It was a way of discouraging blood vengeance, while also punishing the perpetrator.

The perpetrator would also be required to be tried in court after claiming refuge.

> These early asylums were established under the belief that the gods (or god) were inviolable, and thus their temples and holy sites shared this untouchable aspect.

Absolutely not true. If someone committed murder he could be dragged away from the holy of holies if necessary.

Re: What It Was Like to Seek Asylum in Medieval England

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The city of San Francisco did not give Lopez-Sanchez (the alleged murderer) sanctuary in the same way as described in the article. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was free to detain Lopez-Sanchez at any time while he was in San Francisco, and then deport him. What San Francisco did was refuse to comply with the ICE request to detain Lopez-Sanchez, because he didn't have a violent record and because ICE did not ge…

> The city of San Francisco did not give Lopez-Sanchez (the alleged murderer) sanctuary in the same way as described in the article...I found your comparison to medieval sanctuary to be cheap and inflammatory. Every time I touch on an immigration related topic on HN, I swear it is the last time, but because it is so personal to me I just simply can't resist. OP falls into the classical logical error equating undocume…

I think many people use the term "illegal immigrant" not because it is pejorative but because it seems like a natural way to distinguish from "legal immigrant". And (if true) I wasn't aware that all immigration law is civil. I'd presumed that there was a parallel with "criminal trespass", but perhaps that phrase is itself a misnomer. Could you point to some sources that explain the difference between "unlawful", "illegal", and "criminal" as you understand them?
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