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Humans are underrated

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Re: Humans are underrated

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Can't operate in vacuum. Can't operate underwater for more than 3 minutes. Can only operate in a very narrow temperature range. Needs to shut down 8 hours a day.

Can form original thought.

Original thought is great in the R&D phase, but I'd rather have well tested thought in the production system.

Re: Humans are underrated

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I guess this article answers what will the people who can't maintain or service robots do when everything is automated :-) So, we'll get three classes of workers - robots doing the hard work, humans who manage the robots and those who manage human relationships. That's still a lot of people getting f'ed, because not everyone can be a manager.

Job description: "Provide watercooler conversation to the robot/human managers."

Re: Humans are underrated

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The article touches on the major areas: - Jobs where we need someone to be responsible. You may have fancy diagnostic computers and automated scalpels, but you are going to want a doctor somewhere. A NLP algo might be faster, more accurate, and better at recalling old cases than a judge, but you're not going to be satisfied in a society where you open a website to find out whether you're going to jail. - Jobs where i…

>> Jobs where interacting with a human is the whole point.

There's a computer game that teaches people cognitive behavioral therapy , a job a psychotherapist used to do.Some prefer tablets instead of waiters.Teachers might be replaced with machines. It's really hard to tell whether interacting with a person is the whole point for a given job, especially for jobs that machines do things humans cannot.

And another category of job killers people forget about is things that do the job in a totally different way, not just automate. For example a dental vaccine might make dentists unnecessary , and remove any questions of responsibility and humanness.

And with regards to emotion - it's hard to tell, but a weird data point is Hatsune Miku, the animated japanese popstar/phenomena.

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Can't operate in vacuum. Can't operate underwater for more than 3 minutes. Can only operate in a very narrow temperature range. Needs to shut down 8 hours a day.

Can learn new things pretty fast. Can use hands and feet to go above any kind of obstacle. Can exercise judgement in complex situations.

What was the point of your comment exactly ?

Re: Humans are underrated

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The article touches on the major areas: - Jobs where we need someone to be responsible. You may have fancy diagnostic computers and automated scalpels, but you are going to want a doctor somewhere. A NLP algo might be faster, more accurate, and better at recalling old cases than a judge, but you're not going to be satisfied in a society where you open a website to find out whether you're going to jail. - Jobs where i…

>The oldest profession is not going to be replaced with robots until those robots are mistakable for humans, as in Blade Runner.

I am not so sure about this. When you consider what is the current alternative to the oldest profession then I think robots will achieve a high penetration.

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The article touches on the major areas: - Jobs where we need someone to be responsible. You may have fancy diagnostic computers and automated scalpels, but you are going to want a doctor somewhere. A NLP algo might be faster, more accurate, and better at recalling old cases than a judge, but you're not going to be satisfied in a society where you open a website to find out whether you're going to jail. - Jobs where i…

>The oldest profession is not going to be replaced with robots until those robots are mistakable for humans, as in Blade Runner. I am not so sure about this. When you consider what is the current alternative to the oldest profession then I think robots will achieve a high penetration.

It will be an uncanny valley. Better reading 50 shades of gray than playing with a Boston Dynamic doll. It would surely sell though, people are actually buying expensive dolls, I'm sure some of them would be tempted by a hugdroid.

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The article touches on the major areas: - Jobs where we need someone to be responsible. You may have fancy diagnostic computers and automated scalpels, but you are going to want a doctor somewhere. A NLP algo might be faster, more accurate, and better at recalling old cases than a judge, but you're not going to be satisfied in a society where you open a website to find out whether you're going to jail. - Jobs where i…

If the stats were significantly better, I'd take the completely robotic "doctor" any day. Why would I want someone to be able to override what is statistically the most accurate decision? It's not like they'd be negligent if they followed the computer's decision, and if they didn't, being able to sue them doesn't make up for the fact that I could have been better treated. The article mentions we'd prefer to have a do…

Me too. But I suspect there will be much resistance from the establishment. Certain things just seem like they can't let go of the human due to existing status quo. We could have automated airplanes as well, but I think regulation is going to tend towards the conservative "we need someone to be in charge" view.

It's probably more deeply ingrained in society that a doctor has to be a person than a truck driver.

Re: Humans are underrated

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The article touches on the major areas: - Jobs where we need someone to be responsible. You may have fancy diagnostic computers and automated scalpels, but you are going to want a doctor somewhere. A NLP algo might be faster, more accurate, and better at recalling old cases than a judge, but you're not going to be satisfied in a society where you open a website to find out whether you're going to jail. - Jobs where i…

ELIZA is, or at least was, actually used as a therapeutic tool: people would spend hours over a terminal, 'talking' to it. It worked because ELIZA wasn't a human and wasn't judgemental --- there was nobody actually there. And ELIZA is possibly the least convincing chatbot of all time.

So I can totally see how removing humans from the loop in certain jobs could be really successful. You mention doctors: I totally want AI doctors, which aren't going to get tired, aren't going to dismiss me as a hypochondriac, aren't going to skip routine tests because they're certain what's wrong with me, and above all, reduce the load on the human doctors so they get to concentrate on stuff the AI can't handle.

As for sport... well, actually, I don't want to do any of the things you mention, because I'm weird, but if you watch an episode of _Robot Wars_ you'll see people do exactly those things over what amount to a bunch of radio controlled cars.

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