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Re: Plasma Mobile

#81

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I've been actually thinking about creating a new desktop environment (or a whole desktop platform ala Android if I had more time). Because there's a lot of space for improvement and innovation on (not only) Linux desktop. But this is not the case for mobile IMHO. As for contributing to KDE, it's not as fun as starting a new project, things move slowly, you have limited options of what you can do and I just generally…

I just generally don't agree with the mentality / philosophy / culture of the KDE project. Mind if I ask what do you dislike about it? Or what is your perception of the mentality/culture?

Hard to say, it's an instinctive feeling, but let's say that it's a culture of bloat.

"Should we do this or that? I don't know, let's make it an option in the settings!"

Also, they seem to lack design taste.

Re: Plasma Mobile

#82
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I've lost all hope in the KDE project, they simply don't understand UI / UX design.

What defines UI / UX design? I am not a KDE user (currently). Well I use it once in a while, but compared to Windows, Mac OS (old and new), Android and iOS, which I all have used the only two things I've seen working well, as in being easy to understand and still efficient to use are KDE and XFCE. Oh and Squeak/Pharo. Both Android and iOS are horrible when it comes to easy of use and know what you are doing in my opi…

> Both Android and iOS are horrible when it comes to easy of use and know what you are doing in my opinion.

Can you give some examples?

Re: Plasma Mobile

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been actually thinking about creating a new desktop environment (or a whole desktop platform ala Android if I had more time). Because there's a lot of space for improvement and innovation on (not only) Linux desktop. But this is not the case for mobile IMHO. As for contributing to KDE, it's not as fun as starting a new project, things move slowly, you have limited options of what you can do and I just generally…

> ... things move slowly ... Why do you think things move slowly? KDE releases Frameworks 5 every month, and Plasma 5 every 3 months, that's pretty fast in my opinion.

Slowly compared to working on a new project from scratch. You can't change the deep, fundumantal things in a big project easily.

Re: Plasma Mobile

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I've lost all hope in the KDE project, they simply don't understand UI / UX design.

Agreed. I used KDE for years, but I just couldn't stand the hideous interface anymore. GNOME 3 looks good and finally has all the functionality I need from a DE. I had high hopes for their new visual design effort, but in my opinion the new Plasma 5 theme looks like a really, really bad OS X Yosemite ripoff. (Which is ironic, since Yosemite came afterwards.)

What do you think about MATE or Gnome 2? I think it's still the best Linux desktop environment.

Re: Plasma Mobile

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post #38

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Ah, the good old "submit a patch if you don't like it". This is a common problem all throughout the user interface shown, not an isolated issue. And as mentioned, it's a _prototype_: I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is far, far from the final user interface anyway.

In the end, it is a community effort. It needs people from the community to contribute. If you think you can do something better, I really encourage you to do so.

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Re: Plasma Mobile

#86

I've lost all hope in the KDE project, they simply don't understand UI / UX design.

Care to explain why for the non design folks?

It looks very "Linux" from however long ago - that is, poor and inconsistent spacing, hodge-podge of icons (especially overcomplicated ones), frugal padding, etc. It's a common look for open source stuff. Doesn't really have and stick with a design language.

For some people, that will seem really jarring and uncomfortable.

Re: Plasma Mobile

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What defines UI / UX design? I am not a KDE user (currently). Well I use it once in a while, but compared to Windows, Mac OS (old and new), Android and iOS, which I all have used the only two things I've seen working well, as in being easy to understand and still efficient to use are KDE and XFCE. Oh and Squeak/Pharo. Both Android and iOS are horrible when it comes to easy of use and know what you are doing in my opi…

>Both Android and iOS are horrible when it comes to easy of use and know what you are doing in my opinion. I'm going to disagree with you there. I've seen toddlers use the iPad. My 60 year old aunt who never 'got' Windows (even simple things like managing application windows, or figuring out where files go after being downloaded), figured out iPad in about a day.

I've seen toddlers use standard WIMP desktops, as well (I used to be one). It's not like they will be familiar with much else at that age, anyway. They'll learn whatever they have access to.

Same goes for elderly people with no previous computer experience. They have no prior familiarity, so they'll learn whatever is given. Of course they'll have natural preferences for one UI style over another, but many of them use WIMP just fine.

It's all a matter of preference and the user's threshold for degree of control. For a person like me, Android is a UX disaster and a regression. It took me half an hour to figure out how to delete a photo from the Gallery as I ended up finally descending into the proper File Manager directory, holding on the filename and selecting the Trash icon.

A convoluted and awkward workflow by all means. I agree with the parent poster that Android usage is a cargo cult ritual of swiping and touching, both from my experience with it and observing how other people use it.

Re: Plasma Mobile

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I don't think the website is marketing the phone correctly. It should be really telling my I would want this phone over others.
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