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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline From a quick skim, the US and Haiti seem to be the only non-peaceful abolitions out of hundreds.
This is a weird lens to look at slavery through. The circumstances in the US were unique: intense economic coupling to slavery, very large regional identity defined by slavery, &c. More importantly, I'm not sure what this has to do with Rayiner's point. The realization that many plantation slaves would be better utilized as doctors and lawyers did not free the slaves, nor did economic competition from non-slaveholdin…
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#232I agree that overwhelmingly the experience for most "women in tech" is positive because we also love technology and building things, but its the small things that really make a difference. I think (although I can't speak for her) the author also experiences these small differences, like when her idea wasn't taken seriously because of her gender. Sometimes these things are easy to miss, but once you are on the lookout…
Yes, probably. Both if you're a man or a woman.
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#233There had been interest, but one of the committers had dismissed the idea out of hand because a woman had proposed it. It was the funniest thing I’d heard in months — I literally doubled over laughing at how nonplussed he must have been to see it not only implemented, but implemented to rousing success. Now that's a woman I respect. Instead of whining around, she just implements it. Suckerpunched the misogynist. You…
So... more perceptive women, who see from the outset that they will have to work twice as hard to be only equally respected in the industry, should shut up and get to work instead of pointing out the unfairness? They should toil for a decade or two in order to have the requisite cred before complaining about injustice? You don't even know your "stop complaining and start doing" solution will work. Since the anti-fema…
Way to diss the authors' intelligence.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? I have seen ideas/suggestions blown off for equally vapid reasons. Sometimes they just don't like me, and don't like that I suggested it, for whatever reason that is. Why should a reason of "female" be special?
Are you seriously suggesting that since you didn't understand the reasons some of your ideas have been rejected, that it's fine to reject other people's ideas for any reason you like?
"He got teased for being fat". I got teased all the time, why is being teased about being fat any different/special?"
I.e. I'm not saying it's "okay" to tease someone just because I question why being teased about being "fat" is any different to other kinds of teasing.
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a man and have spoken with many other feminists over the years, and read a lot of feminist literature, philosophy, cultural criticism, etc. In my experience I'd say that more than 99% of feminism/feminists have all to do with being against men. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything, actually, I could reasonably describe as not promoting this view. Maybe some radical stuff from the 70s, like Firestone, makes…
Feminism back then was different than feminism today. Most young feminists oppose alimony, since it assumes women can't support themselves, and is unfair to men. Feminists long ago supposed alimony when most women were house keepers, and alimony was important to giving them independence following divorce. I agree, some of the stuff from the 70s was downright incendiary (shooting Andy Warhol, etc). But feminism has ev…
Most young feminists oppose alimony,
Where are all those young feminists campaigning against alimony, for 50/50 shared custody in divorce, equally severe sentencing criminal cases for men and women, draft for women, etc? I'm not meeting them.Re: Okay, Feminism, It’s Time We Had a Talk About Empathy (2013)
#236Interesting that she is autistic. Autism is apparently more common among boys than girls. Could this be one reason why tech attracts more men than women? Arguably, a slightly autistic personality is helpful for a programmer. Possibly it could also be a big reason for many future programmers to turn to tech in the first place, where you deal with strict, deterministic rules instead of emotions. This would obviously no…
"Maybe this group of people has more of X because X is more likely to have a neurodevelopmental disorder"? Nice. Thank you so much for associating a whole industry with autism.
A disorder that apparently 1-2 out of 1,000 people have, at that.
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#237NB I haven't read all the comments on this page and I apologize if somebody already said this... NB I don't have the correct language to express this idea. I'm even concerned that I might be flat out misunderstood. Consult my own comment history to know where I stand. NB I haven't heard of the author before nor read the apparent criticism. --- The author is a hardcore coder on the autism spectrum and thus fits in wel…
The best interpretation I can think of is building software which exploits user's emotional responses in order to gain acceptance and widespread usage (e.g. Zynga), but I'm not sure why this is something the world needs more of.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
>When one side has a clear advantage, it is not. So then women are the ones who need to follow that advice. One only needs to look at CDC studies to see the socially wide preferential treatment they receive to see how great an advantage it is. Oh, it is called 'benevolent sexism' in an attempt to paint it as bad, but when you take a look at society as a whole, it is clear which group is actually better off.
If you're going to post an opinion that's a long way from other people's you need to step it out slowly and provide evidence for each mental leap. If you don't do that you tend not to win many converts to your way of thinking. A few examples: So then women are the ones who need to follow that advice. This is just confrontational, and seems to show resentment towards women. Women are the group you want to convince peo…
It is only confrontational to those who are already biased. Now, had I said this statement in and of itself, with no prompting, and included the 'shut up', it would've been confrontational. Instead, I said it in response to a post that already had said that only one side needed to follow such advice and, while not explicitly stating such, did implicitly relay the gender basing off of social norms.
As far as resentment, seeing my statement as resentment but not the others is itself telling and, if I dare say, sounds of tone policing.
>Women are the group you want to convince people to stop feeling sorry for, but you haven't done that yet.
Or my audience would be the group already aware of the statistics. An already growing audience which is one reason that calling oneself a feminist is being avoided.
>Here you're not properly identifying your new topic, but more importantly you're treating your conclusion as if it were so obvious it's not even worth explaining.
It is pretty obvious to anyone who reads the full studies. Start with the 2010 report on intimate partner violence. Look at how they choose to define rape. Pretty obvious. Or look at numbers of which gender is more likely to be put in prison. I don't really need to point out a study that men are far more likely to end up in prison.
>This just makes you sound like someone suffering from confirmation bias.
And this sounds like rationalization of why an opinion should be dismissed.
>I had to Google this, I assume you mean 'benevolent sexism'
Yes, I did mistype that one and I'll go correct it.
>I now understand to be the assumption that (for example) women need to be protected by men.
That would be an attempt to give an example, though this could also be stated such as the assumption that a man should put a woman's safety before his own (not stated in the cost of not doing such, which is often that of not being a 'real man').
>Again, you jump straight to the conclusion without stopping to reason, which is the same symptom of confirmation bias as above.
And yet this is the behavior of many posts taking the opposite view point without their being called out on it. I find it interesting that the reactions to similar behavior differ.
Finally two points. First, if you want to get people to reconsider their position, logos and ethos will do little alone while relying only on pathos will get you much further. Evidence and logical arguments are second to emotional appeal.
Second, my original point of the post was not to actually say which group had it worse. Only to explicitly call out that there is not an agreement as to one group having it worse (no need to say which side in such a disagreement is right) so that the parent's implied response to both grand parents and great great grandparents point cannot be implied as was done. An actual discussion trying to determine which gender has it worse would get neither side anywhere unless hours were spent in a Socratic discussion of what worse actually means followed by even more time spent doing data comparisons to what ever agreed upon definition was decided upon.
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Maybe in the style of the old tv show "All in the Family" where an openly racist character often said racist things in a way that highlighted the foolishness of racism? Just guessing.
Archie Bunker wasn't being "ironically racist".
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The assumption that racism and sexism result in elastic deformation of society that will go away as soon as you remove whatever force is warping it. Yes, this is the economic assumption - folks are greedy and will exploit undervalued resources. I don't think history bears that out. Society is a soft ductile metal. If you bend it, it'll stay bent. This ignores the history of various oppressed groups who unbent themsel…
I'd argue the Irish have "unbent themselves". What prejudice or discrimination do the Irish face in contemporary America? (My background: Grew up in the New England then moved to Austin. I look Mediterranean but my last name is Farrell and I play the bodhran...mediocrely) I'm highly skeptical of the idea that this "unbending" is anything but a loud, activist process.
Note: I am of Irish descent and not at all offended. What I wonder is if this impassive attitude to a relatively minor transgression, came about before or after the cultural "unbending"?