Hmmm. There used to be a "David Mark" back in the day that trolled the Microsoft VB newsgroups when they were very active. Trolled hard. This guy's demeanor seems very similar.
I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
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Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#32Everything I've read by this guy is more or less the same bilious, angry screed. His monomaniacal obsession with John Resig is a little alarming.
Therefore, I'm sad to admit that, in this case, he almost has a point. The use of attr('height') to mean not the height attribute in the DOM but as an alias for height() smells wrong to me. However, it's clear that he has absolutely no intention of becoming a productive contributor to jQuery or helping in any way.
By contrast, let's take a minute to appreciate this Matt Kruse fellow. He has apparently strong objections to something in jQuery's design and is taking it to John Resig. He seems ready to engage in a real dialogue. The end result? He probably ends up a little happier and jQuery ends up a little better.
The real question is: how can we have more Matt Kruses and fewer David Marks in the world? Do the David Marks of world drive off the Matt Kruses? (I think they almost certainly do.) Why are there so many sociopathic personalities in circles such as this, and how do we mitigate the damage they cause?
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#33Seems like this David Mark is mad at the world: http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://stackoverflow.com/users/88658/david-mark http://help.wugnet.com/bravenet/webmaster/Great-Examples-cod...
Thanks for digging these up. His tone and his arguments are two different things; I find his tone hard to take, but can any JS coders weigh in on his arguments?
He's a perfect example of a troll: somewhat accurate, errors in the details. To explain them requires deep engagement in the argument - exactly what the troll wants.
The scary thing is that I don't think he actually is a troll. I could be wrong, though.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#34Everything I've read by this guy is more or less the same bilious, angry screed. His monomaniacal obsession with John Resig is a little alarming. Therefore, I'm sad to admit that, in this case, he almost has a point. The use of attr('height') to mean not the height attribute in the DOM but as an alias for height() smells wrong to me. However, it's clear that he has absolutely no intention of becoming a productive con…
In my experience perhaps the only way of dealing with characters like David Marks is by completely ignoring their contributions.
He does, I agree, almost have a point. However, his lack of respect for those who spend time and energy contributing to these projects could (and will likely) drive away many useful contributors. "Feeding the trolls" is a dangerous game, much more so than avoiding the advice of a few David Marks.
The problem with this strategy lies in the fact that most open-source projects are large, open communities, where experts in a particular area useful to that project are likely not to be ignored. John Resig's response to the situation (in which he condemns the entire comp.lang.javascript usenet group) seems an extreme (but perhaps appropriate) response to this -- he's sending a very strong message to those who contribute to jQuery: "no more feeding David Mark".
(I would also agree that this Matt Kruse fellow seems to be going about things in an excellent sort of way. His response to Resig http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev/msg/e93f9484cd5246... > was, in my opinion, spot on)
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#35David Mark is an anti-jQuery crusader. He is known for speaking ill of people who use the library as well as the developers (John Resig in particular). He insists that jQuery is responsible for all of the sites across the internet that have JavaScript errors. See http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vul9/some_tech... http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8ndyw/jquerys_l...
What I don't understand is why he doesn't work to help jQuery to be better then and contribute a bit? If its causing errors and bugs then certainly he could help some instead of complaining? Resig +1 Mark -1
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Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#36Some other gems by David Mark http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_f... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_t...
Wow! After reading these, and the replies, I definitely agree with John Resig about that newsgroup: don't read. Or risk losing your hope for humanity.
Reading that made me appreciate the discussions here a lot more.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#37I think this is "his" javascript library (can't find his name mentioned anywhere though): http://www.cinsoft.net/mylib.html
It was in his stackoverflow profile right? So I guess it's a safe bet that it's his. Plus the description sounds like him.
It is.
It's not all that usable ITRW.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#38Seems like this David Mark is mad at the world: http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://stackoverflow.com/users/88658/david-mark http://help.wugnet.com/bravenet/webmaster/Great-Examples-cod...
Blah. The last thing we want is to have more people reading his stuff, getting mad, and feeding the troll.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#39Some other gems by David Mark http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_f... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_t...
"Near as I can tell, [John Resig] has never written a competent script in his life (or written anything useful on the subject.)"
That's quite a brave statement from David Mark.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#40Some other gems by David Mark http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_f... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_t...
Wow! After reading these, and the replies, I definitely agree with John Resig about that newsgroup: don't read. Or risk losing your hope for humanity.
Every Usenet programming language (and some that aren't PL related) community has a troll/kook like David. Over time you learn to read around them, or read them only for humour value.