Another reason not to participate in comp.lang.javascript: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn.
I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
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Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#12He (David Mark) isn't going to get much support with his attitude.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#13Seems like this David Mark is mad at the world: http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://stackoverflow.com/users/88658/david-mark http://help.wugnet.com/bravenet/webmaster/Great-Examples-cod...
Thanks for digging these up. His tone and his arguments are two different things; I find his tone hard to take, but can any JS coders weigh in on his arguments?
shrug
There is some shred of validity to them.
However, most JS coders are too busy using jQuery or Prototype or something to Get Their Project Done and then move on to the next thing to be bothered by this guy.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#14Ah yes, David Mark. This guy trashes other JavaScript frameworks (usually quite pedantically) in order to promote his own "My Library". Not a good strategy if you ask me.
We were the target of a highly superficial "review" by him soon after Cappuccino was made public: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/msg/1799...
(for the record, YES and NO are there for compatibility with Objective-C, and we benchmarked the math functions, used in graphics routines which needed to be highly optimized, and found a significant performance improvement, in IE if I remember correctly, by aliasing them to eliminate the Math object property lookups)
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#15David Mark is an anti-jQuery crusader. He is known for speaking ill of people who use the library as well as the developers (John Resig in particular). He insists that jQuery is responsible for all of the sites across the internet that have JavaScript errors.
See http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vul9/some_tech... http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8ndyw/jquerys_l...
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for digging these up. His tone and his arguments are two different things; I find his tone hard to take, but can any JS coders weigh in on his arguments?
shrug There is some shred of validity to them. However, most JS coders are too busy using jQuery or Prototype or something to Get Their Project Done and then move on to the next thing to be bothered by this guy.
It's hard to find much validity, especially when it starts to boil down to comments like "As I recall, it seemed needlessly complex." He long ago formed the opinion that all libraries were shit, and apparently made that basis on how complex the code seemed and other superficial reasons.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#17Ah yes, David Mark. This guy trashes other JavaScript frameworks (usually quite pedantically) in order to promote his own "My Library". Not a good strategy if you ask me. We were the target of a highly superficial "review" by him soon after Cappuccino was made public: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/msg/1799... (for the record, YES and NO are there for compatibility with Objective-C, and we benchm…
Not to mention, in his "reviews" he consistently nitpicks on tiny things and then declares that no further effort could possibly even be warranted. Use a dollar sign anywhere in your code and David Mark will declare you an incompetent fool.
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#18Seems like this David Mark is mad at the world: http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram... http://stackoverflow.com/users/88658/david-mark http://help.wugnet.com/bravenet/webmaster/Great-Examples-cod...
Thanks for digging these up. His tone and his arguments are two different things; I find his tone hard to take, but can any JS coders weigh in on his arguments?
I remember reading one of his rants from a while back, and it actually caught me off guard. I know quite a bit about javascript, but the way he was talking made me think I was perhaps missing the boat. I looked into what he was saying, and some of it was sort of accurate, but not really relevant.
I think he just has angry-hyperactively-perfectionist-armchair-developer syndrome.
Case in point: where is his brilliant contribution to the JavaScript ecosystem?
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#19Some other gems by David Mark http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_f... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_t...
Wow! After reading these, and the replies, I definitely agree with John Resig about that newsgroup: don't read. Or risk losing your hope for humanity.
And yet I can't help drawing a parallel: comp.lang.lisp was famously full of the hateful spewing of an intolerant contributor, and for that both the group and the contributor (Erik Naggum) were basically worshipped by a non-trivial community. Why did Lisp produce that outcome, while JavaScript produces this?
Re: I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests
#20I think this is "his" javascript library (can't find his name mentioned anywhere though): http://www.cinsoft.net/mylib.html