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Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my reply to beambot below. TLDR : my fault not Airbnb As to posting details of the deal I've held off on this for years as I never wanted to hurt them and I don't see any way these early numbers are going to impact Airbnb. The specific point was to (1) demonstrate that the metrics many investors look for at this stage are meaningless and reinforce that founders working in the right Cardinal direction is what's im…

Thanks for your post - and welcome to HN, we appreciate your posting here. On reflection I chose to delete the comment, unfortunately I saw that you wrote a reply to it afterward. I think my comment was overly critical. I think the key insight that a lot of people may miss in your post is about timing - the first email your post quoted from Brian said they wanted to close $100K to operate "for the next 4 months", so…

You being up a great point around the potential of "killing" a great company and this is important. I was always sensitive to their position as I'd been there 5 years earlier when I bootstrapped my company.

I always negotiated in good faith with them and spent time to understand their needs. Look at the budgets: When you look at that budget with handwritten notes that's my writing - I was concerned they weren't raising enough and I asked them to take more money to get more runway AND i agree to increase the valuation to account for the dilution.

As far as the "six weeks goes" that was from the first day we met until the day I had my lawyers at Greenberg Traurig negotiate docs with their counsel at Fenwick. Part of the delay was my own stupidity; I had my lawyers drafting custom docs (which I paid for completely out of pocket and didn't push into the closing costs). Brian has rightly sent me standard YC docs to use but I was too ignorant to even know what those docs were. And then I spent two weeks negotiating terms and final valuation.

The other complication is Brian wanted me to meet with another angel he wanted to bring into the round (I left this out of the post as I didn't want to embarrass this angel; we actually became pretty right friends after all this). So this other guy and I met up a couple times before he decided he wouldn't do the deal and that delayed us as well.

But I was always direct on my commitment to Brian and once we agreed to terms I immediately had my lawyers move to closing quickly.

I just had a similar situation with a company we committed to fund this year. We were coleading the deal with another VC; this other VC ended up in a protracted (2 months) negotiation of docs. We (Arena) couldn't fund our half of the deal until docs were finalized with this other VC. So the founder calls me up because he's now 3 weeks away from missing payroll and may have to slow down user acq that's going great and He's obviously worried that if this seed round fails the company is dead. And I told him not to stress - I offered him a $250k personal loan to his company at the lowest simple interest rate and he didn't have to secure it or offer me any warrants or incentives. I peronsally funded his company two days later and we're all good.

My point being - I do understand the consequences of being a bad investor because I always try to imagine myself in the founders shoes. I was in that spot years ago and I know how vulnerable it can feel. Even though I wasn't a well educated investor when I was doing the Airbnb deal I never took any action that would have harmed their potential.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your post - and welcome to HN, we appreciate your posting here. On reflection I chose to delete the comment, unfortunately I saw that you wrote a reply to it afterward. I think my comment was overly critical. I think the key insight that a lot of people may miss in your post is about timing - the first email your post quoted from Brian said they wanted to close $100K to operate "for the next 4 months", so…

You being up a great point around the potential of "killing" a great company and this is important. I was always sensitive to their position as I'd been there 5 years earlier when I bootstrapped my company. I always negotiated in good faith with them and spent time to understand their needs. Look at the budgets: When you look at that budget with handwritten notes that's my writing - I was concerned they weren't raisi…

Six weeks for closing a seed/angel investment from introduction to term sheet sign-off is not "too long". From my reading, it seems there was a firm commitment on both sides and hence, it was bad of both airbnb and YC to cut you off totally. At the very least, I would have expected the likes of YC to allow you to co-invest instead of simply assuming you were a newbie marine. After all, it was not as if YC had seen some stellar exits by mid-2008.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

#93
"Over the last seven years, I’ve discovered and invested very early in a handful of highly valuable companies (Wish, Lyft, Zenpayroll, Postmates, AngelList, Plated, Styleseat, Klout, etc.) as well as plenty of disasters."

Any middle ground between "highly valuable" and "disaster"?

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

#94
> After 6 weeks of work, I didn’t get to invest.

That's supposed to be considered a bummer :).

Hey, at least you still have your money !

In fact, who knows, maybe with your investment, Airbnb wouldn't have turned out that great after all.

Maybe you would have lost your money, which would have reduced your reputation and you would have ruminated over it, got depressed, separated, started using drugs and drinking, get arrested for a drunk mishap, resisting arrest and attacking an officer with a tennis ball, then jail time... the wheel of misfortune once set in motion is hard to stop :).

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Let me get this straight: in June 2008, Airbnb got intro'd to a bunch of investors, who all said no [1]. In September of 2008, Airbnb had a $250k round on the table that valued them at 2.5M[2]. And then, also in September 2008 (before YC usually does interviews) they rejected that offer for YC, who ended up giving them $20k[3], with a valuation presumably around $250k?? (Although Brian Chesky says that didn't happen…

It's not weird at all. Brian talked to a ton of people over many months. He was raising many months before I met him. And then I came in. I then spent too long negotiating but then we finally worked out a deal end of Sep and then my lawyers and their lawyers negotiated the agreement Sep 26th and then we did our dinner. But then YC smartly moved in after this closing dinner and booted me out. Funny enough Justin Kan a…

> ..YC smartly moved in after this closing dinner and booted me out.

Do you think YC told AirBnB "We won't accept you on our programme if you take investment from Paige", or do you reckon it was AirBnB's decision to join the YC programme instead of taking your investment?

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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If it's bad form for a VC to break a handshake deal, it's equally-bad for a startup too... no? Doesn't that reflect poorly upon the founders? It's so important that YC went through the effort to codify the process: http://www.ycombinator.com/handshake/

You guys are missing the point. AirBnB didn't screw me over - this wa any first deal and I screwed around debating stupid points. I was disappointed they didn't do the deal but this whole post is about lessons learned. And one of the biggest ones was move fast once you have conviction. At the time of this Airbnb event I was just learning. I thought an investor had to worry about all these little details, negotiate to…

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Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if it did fall apart at the literal last hour and you were going to sign the formal paper work (which only reiterates the terms already negotiated and agreed to at dinner) the next day, but didn't because YC came in overnight and took the entire round...then it does sound like you got screwed.

His general approach does indicate that belief in the product is paramount, his trust in the team second. The takeaway is not to yank the chain too hard negotiating when these two criteria are met. He could have closed a week before.

Those who aren't willing to walk away make bad deals.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Interesting to know you look for startups to invest in. I've always wounded how start ups find investors and approach them. I'm working on a personal project that I would love to do full time but with no savings and living in Singapore so have to have a job to stay here. Also scared to look for investors because I don't want them to try change my ideas since I believe in what I'm building.
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