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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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I was going to offer an invitation, but I don't know you, and I cannot get enough information about you to ascertain that you are not going to be an unpleasant fellow. How about this: tell me what you think about women in science and technology. That is an important question to me.

I lolled. You can't be serious, right?

No, I am absolutely serious. If you're going to be an asshole about women, I don't want you in Lobsters. We already have enough of those elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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>more BigCorp, more career I'm genuinely interested about topics you would like to read about/discuss in these areas.

Career stuff is ok on HN, just very focused on startups and the valley. The embedded world is underrepresented for example, but afaik pretty big. BigCorp other than Google and Apple is underrepresented. Where are the guys who produce 5 billion lines of COBOL each year hanging out? Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

> Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

Probably running the big-ass ERP systems [0] on big-ass IBM mainframe iron on behalf of Apple and Google....their dirty little secret no-one is allowed to talk about.

:)

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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>more BigCorp, more career I'm genuinely interested about topics you would like to read about/discuss in these areas.

Career stuff is ok on HN, just very focused on startups and the valley. The embedded world is underrepresented for example, but afaik pretty big. BigCorp other than Google and Apple is underrepresented. Where are the guys who produce 5 billion lines of COBOL each year hanging out? Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

I feel like the embedded world in particular is represented here in the same proportion as in the real world.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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How about creating your own? :) http://postatic.com Disclaimer - I run this site - shameless plug, I know.

I haven't checked all around the site but on http://www.postatic.com/admin/hello/tour this stood out: `User your own domain name` should be `Use your own domain name`

just another kindly heads up .. you have a in the section ;)

Anyways great product! I wonder if there's a demo or something to check how this works.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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How about creating your own? :) http://postatic.com Disclaimer - I run this site - shameless plug, I know.

Looks cool. May I ask you what stack did you use to build it?

The webpage is using:

  Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu)
  PHP/5.5.9-1ubuntu4.11
.. which has a Symfony router in the back (from 404s)

but that the actual product could be using another stack

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Lots of HN articles are not about the web, we have lots of science and technical items. I'm not sure what you mean by "professional", I think many if not most people on here do software development for a living. It sounds like most of what you're looking for may already be here. Upvote articles that interest you and comment on them, that should help shift the focus in the direction you want.

I guess what I meant by "professional" was more people with a formal education in computer science and some years of practical experience. It is just my impression that this is not so much the case here at HN. This being said, I do not mean to be disrespectful towards someone who "only" has practical training (they may be older so that when they studied there was no formal computer-specific education). edit: nice typ…

they may be older so that when they studied there was no formal computer-specific education

The reality is likely to be the other way around - older people will have taken fundamental computer science stuff, wheras younger people do not have such a need to.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Yes, I would love to find that. Less web, less startup, less silicon valley, less brogrammers, but more C++/Fortran/Java, more depth, more performance, more BigCorp, more career. With people who are not impressed by the latest fad, because they have seen the same ten years ago. Unfortunately, the interesting guys to fill such a forum do not hang out on social platforms and bikeshed a lot. They are busy. Usually you c…

The problem for "interesting" people is discussing those topics with you or me, isn't that interesting to them. That's the problem with discussion forums - I'd find discussing Linux with Torvaldes fascinating, but his side of the conversation wouldn't help him solve his problems or forge new ground. It wouldn't just be a waste of his time but it would be boring.

I've seen all of those topics you mention gain traction, probably with the exception of "climbing the career ladder at big corp", but that's the broader Zeitgeist not just HN.

The way to get more C++/Fortran/Java discussion on HN is to submit good relevant content. If you post something really really good, sometimes the James Gosling of X shows up to comment because HN's diversity keeps them around. But any really good topic is likely to draw comments from people who worked with the James Gosling of X because HN has a lot of those people.

HN has grown large enough that there is an audience for just about any tech topic so long as the resource is reasonably good...in fact, that's been the case for a long time, and this from someone who was posting articles about Windows and Microsoft in the days where every time the Macbook got a new 8% faster Core 2, the front page of HN was dominated by the press release and Ask HN was full of "are you upgrading?" treads.

In the end, finding or creating good content is the way to increase discussion of the topics one finds interesting and to influence the direction of the community.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Career stuff is ok on HN, just very focused on startups and the valley. The embedded world is underrepresented for example, but afaik pretty big. BigCorp other than Google and Apple is underrepresented. Where are the guys who produce 5 billion lines of COBOL each year hanging out? Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

Where are the SAP and IBM programmers? Not talking about programming outside of their workplace, in my limited experience. At least for the ones I know, programming is not a lifestyle, it's just a job that pays the bills - they care about doing it well, then leave to meet their (non-programmer) friends and talk about anything else (sports, politics, etc). As far as I know, none of them frequent community sites.

This. Those that frequent such community sites would recognize this as the 501 manifesto.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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>more BigCorp, more career I'm genuinely interested about topics you would like to read about/discuss in these areas.

Career stuff is ok on HN, just very focused on startups and the valley. The embedded world is underrepresented for example, but afaik pretty big. BigCorp other than Google and Apple is underrepresented. Where are the guys who produce 5 billion lines of COBOL each year hanging out? Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

Hi, IBM software engineer here. Myself and most of my colleagues frequent HN and many of us either have or contribute to open source projects. We generally can't divulge anything at all about our work. I, personally, contribute under an anonymous account and stay out of conversations where I'd have to back up my comments by citing specific experiences related to my workplace or work in any way.

Many of us also highly value work-life balance. As another commenter suggested, after 5pm I'm probably not on HN and am instead traveling, out to dinner with friends, playing sports, reading some good fiction, or whatever else is interesting this week (and before 5pm, I'm working...) Personal projects take up only some of my time. After a little while, much of the conversation here has become annoyingly tepid and it's only the rare tech-related post that I give more than a quick skim.

Edit: I will take issue with the sibling comment that for us, it's just a job that pays the bills. At least in the office I work, there is a very high professional level; we take pride in doing good work and maintaining that level, in keeping up with the state of the art, and implementing best practices. Myself and all my colleagues are all passionate about our work and it is definitely not "just a job". In my personal case, I'm fulfilled enough with my day to day work and develop as a programmer enough to take pleasure in having a varied and full personal life.

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