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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Could you kindly send me an invitation? I'm on Twitter as @enedil1

I was going to offer an invitation, but I don't know you, and I cannot get enough information about you to ascertain that you are not going to be an unpleasant fellow. How about this: tell me what you think about women in science and technology. That is an important question to me.

I lolled. You can't be serious, right?

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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>more BigCorp, more career I'm genuinely interested about topics you would like to read about/discuss in these areas.

Career stuff is ok on HN, just very focused on startups and the valley. The embedded world is underrepresented for example, but afaik pretty big. BigCorp other than Google and Apple is underrepresented. Where are the guys who produce 5 billion lines of COBOL each year hanging out? Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

Where are the SAP and IBM programmers?

Not talking about programming outside of their workplace, in my limited experience. At least for the ones I know, programming is not a lifestyle, it's just a job that pays the bills - they care about doing it well, then leave to meet their (non-programmer) friends and talk about anything else (sports, politics, etc). As far as I know, none of them frequent community sites.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Yes, I would love to find that. Less web, less startup, less silicon valley, less brogrammers, but more C++/Fortran/Java, more depth, more performance, more BigCorp, more career. With people who are not impressed by the latest fad, because they have seen the same ten years ago. Unfortunately, the interesting guys to fill such a forum do not hang out on social platforms and bikeshed a lot. They are busy. Usually you c…

I suppose Quora could have filled this niche - real people providing candid, real life answers. But for whatever reason, Quora is full of fluff and unfriendly business practices

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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I've been wondering about this as well. I mean, there's lots of interesting stuff here on HN, but the deeply technical stuff is far and inbetween. And due to the way topics very quickly drop of the first two pages it's hard to discuss more technical stuff. More often than not I find there was an interesting discussion on some entry, but all the discussion ended 8 hours ago, and nobody will read it now.

Hm, limiting the frontpage stuff could be an interesting twist to links aggregators.

For example, only drop things off the frontpage, if nobody made a comment for 24 hours. Obviously, this builds up a queue of content. Now we could let people vote on these for ordering the queue, but comments are only allowed for frontpage stuff. Hm, sounds very similar to plain old web forums, though.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Your question is far too vague. For example, how do you personally define "web-focused" or "technical" or "professional"? All of those definitions matter a whole lot. Also, you left out an important aspect, namely if you're looking for a discussion forum or an aggregator? Since I'm blindly guessing at what you mean, the following suggestions might not be what you want, but they're the best I can do. https://lobste.rs…

To clarify: - I am looking for a discussion forum, not an aggregator. - By "web-focused" I meant posts about website development technology used on client and/or server side. Some of this technology is still interesting, like databases, but there is a lot more, e.g. desktop sw technologies, algorithms etc. - By "technical" I meant in-depth technology reviews and discussions. More posts by people that are not about "h…

Honestly, I think a good IRC channel is probably more what you want than a website.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Yes, I would love to find that. Less web, less startup, less silicon valley, less brogrammers, but more C++/Fortran/Java, more depth, more performance, more BigCorp, more career. With people who are not impressed by the latest fad, because they have seen the same ten years ago. Unfortunately, the interesting guys to fill such a forum do not hang out on social platforms and bikeshed a lot. They are busy. Usually you c…

I suppose Quora could have filled this niche - real people providing candid, real life answers. But for whatever reason, Quora is full of fluff and unfriendly business practices

Quora seems dedicated to the age-old question: how many ways can we ask the question of how amazing Elon Musk is?

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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I think lobste.rs might fill that niche. It's certainly less trendy and quieter. And you need an invite to post iirc.

So I had never heard of lobsters, and just checked its front page and a couple of comments and ... is it Stockholm syndrome to say I prefer the HN design / look and feel? And is it unfair to lobsters to say the posts all seem very very familiar? Just asking as one is always worried about missing out on the next great thing, but the HN niche seems pretty well filled?

Lobste.rs is a curated, invite-only site where you can get banned if anyone you invite (or anyone they invite) causes problems, because those relationships are graphed. Every new member is a burden and every post a potential risk. Obviously, such a community would self-select for safe, uncontroversial content, and tend towards reposting things which have proven uncontroversial elsewhere.

That said, I personally prefer their layout to HN, it maintains simplicity while allowing for a better feature set.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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You've made a few submissions. None of them seem to be relevant to what you're asking for in this post. (Maybe the mature software one does?) I suspect that HN would like some deeply technical post. Perhaps you could try writing one and submitting it? Or find your five favourite blog posts by other people and submitting those?

I think it boils down to this: Hacker News is a "news" site and what I am looking for is a discussion forum where people discuss software development topics.

> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Software development topics seem to be solidly on-topic.

Try submitting a few software development articles and seeing if they get any discussion?

A long time ago I submitted this, which got some traction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4898691

Is that the kind of thing you're talking about, or more technical software computer science stuff?

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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Something worth checking out (partly because the cost of checking is so low) is simply the "new" section here on HN.

I find a lot in there in the areas you're looking for that the general populace here doesn't vote up. At a minimum, it's similar to the front-page but it moves faster (so you don't have to see the "pong written in go" type posts more than once)

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to HN less web-focused and more technical/professional?

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I've been wondering about this as well. I mean, there's lots of interesting stuff here on HN, but the deeply technical stuff is far and inbetween. And due to the way topics very quickly drop of the first two pages it's hard to discuss more technical stuff. More often than not I find there was an interesting discussion on some entry, but all the discussion ended 8 hours ago, and nobody will read it now.

I found this too. This is probably due to the fact that Hacker News is (mainly) for sharing news not discussing topics. The discussion part is not supported well by the mechanics of the site.

> The discussion part is not supported well by the mechanics of the site.

It's actually discouraged. Non-URL posts are penalized and greyed out by default to discourage lengthy discussion, because pg was worried that would lead to blog-posting.

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