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The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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The only walkable food options in an office park might be a cafeteria, which I find to be depressing, more often than not.

The only option is to get in your car and drive somewhere, just like everyone else does, which means the lunch rush is just more sitting in traffic.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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I think this article perhaps misses the real story. That being, office parks first built in 25+ years ago are reaching an age where their long term leases are expiring and they need to be renovated for the first time since being constructed to attract new tenants. While it makes sense to renovate an old factory and turn it into trendy office space with exposed brick and vintage architectural details from decades past…

Exactly, I see this as the same situation as shopping centers and big box retailers. The cost of renovation etc, is not low enough compared to the cost of building a new building in a better location for the current times. On top of that, the DC metro area is becoming very public transit oriented. Most employers consider good access via public transit an important feature when looking for office space. Being in an ou…

Exactly, DC is quickly becoming a public transit city.

In this case the building was more than a mile from the closest metro station. Doesn't sound like a lot, but try walking it every day in DC summer heat. Not fun.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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> exactly in the midst of the office parks described in this article. Everything about the environment of metro-DC suburban Maryland was absolutely repellent to me. Miles and miles of office parks, housing developments and strip malls, over and over and over. What boggles my mind is that the people here have money and choose to live this way.

Because the parts of DC that you can safely, raise a family in are either: 1) Really expensive 2) Essentially suburban anyway. Most of NW is suburban. 3) both 1 & 2 Another cause is that until 10 years ago most of the city was considered to be too unsafe. Gentrification has gone into overdrive and has greatly expanded the area middle class and UMC people will live. But even then a lot of that area is still pretty cra…

Safety is relative. Consider that by living in a walkable area avoiding driving, you may be reducing your risk of being one of the ~40 automobile-related deaths a year in the DC region.

(Source: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6128a2.htm)

Also, by including walking in your commute, you are reducing your risk of death from obesity and diabetes, among other factors.

(Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736383/)

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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We're capitalists here, mostly, so people don't mind. People who are just here to spam get turfed out pretty quickly. I don't recommend stuff that I don't think is pertinent to a conversation.

> We're capitalists here, mostly, so people don't mind. I have never thought [citation required] was more necessary than with this comment. We're technology professionals or enthusiasts primarily here.

I didn't mean capitalists in terms of a job - I'm a tech guy too - but in terms of being ok with capitalism and making money.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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post #30

I think this article perhaps misses the real story. That being, office parks first built in 25+ years ago are reaching an age where their long term leases are expiring and they need to be renovated for the first time since being constructed to attract new tenants. While it makes sense to renovate an old factory and turn it into trendy office space with exposed brick and vintage architectural details from decades past…

One common occurrence where I live is that county and cities are buying up the old office parks and even strip malls to convert them into government buildings. Most are ideally located as well as being offered up for sale cheaply. Seen even a few charitable organizations buy up parts of a strip mall for the cheap space by square foot. Besides the age a lot of REITs cashed out awhile ago and I am not sure the market i…

I've seen this also. Also community colleges (for example Austin community college in Austin Texas) are doing the same.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're capitalists here, mostly, so people don't mind. I have never thought [citation required] was more necessary than with this comment. We're technology professionals or enthusiasts primarily here.

I didn't mean capitalists in terms of a job - I'm a tech guy too - but in terms of being ok with capitalism and making money.

> but in terms of being ok with capitalism and making money.

That's exactly what I mean as well. I'm a socialist looking to replace jobs with cheap renewable energy, software, and robotics automation. Definitely not a capitalist. To each their own.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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post #82

I think suburbia might be a victim of its own success. As people moved out to more widely-dispersed communities, that caused commuting all the way downtown for work to be increasingly problematic. So of course that encouraged demand for business to also move out to the suburbs. Eventually things got so dispersed that people had to start driving everywhere. Roads got congested. It became increasingly common for people…

I live an hour outside of Chicago and mostly work from home; I'm in the city maybe 1 day per week. I fought moving out of the city for a while, but I have really come to love it, especially when it comes to raising kids. When I have to head into Chicago, I take the train. It is weird how quickly you can go from yuppie to suburbanite. My property taxes are high, but my overall cost (and quality) of living is better th…

I think changes in reproduction (and expectations to reproduce) may be driving a lot of the shift. Millenials have a relatively low birth rate compared to the Gen Xers at the same age, due, perhaps, to the economic situation. If you are not raising kids, you have a lot more free time and energy to pour into other things.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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post #30

I think this article perhaps misses the real story. That being, office parks first built in 25+ years ago are reaching an age where their long term leases are expiring and they need to be renovated for the first time since being constructed to attract new tenants. While it makes sense to renovate an old factory and turn it into trendy office space with exposed brick and vintage architectural details from decades past…

Maybe it's hard to see, but these things have a way of coming back around. In 50-60 years the office parks that still exist might very well be where all the hip YC startups of 2066 want to be.

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the parts of DC that you can safely, raise a family in are either: 1) Really expensive 2) Essentially suburban anyway. Most of NW is suburban. 3) both 1 & 2 Another cause is that until 10 years ago most of the city was considered to be too unsafe. Gentrification has gone into overdrive and has greatly expanded the area middle class and UMC people will live. But even then a lot of that area is still pretty cra…

Safety is relative. Consider that by living in a walkable area avoiding driving, you may be reducing your risk of being one of the ~40 automobile-related deaths a year in the DC region. (Source: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6128a2.htm ) Also, by including walking in your commute, you are reducing your risk of death from obesity and diabetes, among other factors. (Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/…

I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to do the math to rationally compare these sort of offsetting risks?

Re: The old suburban office park is the new American ghost town

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I think suburbia might be a victim of its own success. As people moved out to more widely-dispersed communities, that caused commuting all the way downtown for work to be increasingly problematic. So of course that encouraged demand for business to also move out to the suburbs. Eventually things got so dispersed that people had to start driving everywhere. Roads got congested. It became increasingly common for people…

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