Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings • Hacker News Board

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by rquantz » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 2:23 AM UTC

late2part wrote: post #82

rquantz wrote: post #64

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Specifically, investigation of police should the purview of the Federal Justice Department.

I disagree. We need more state rights and autonomy, we don't need the Feds to come in and babysit a state. What Chicago needs to do is get managed by IL. And IL needs to realize that the corrupt people are getting voted in by IL citizens.

And yet the federal government is the only entity so far that seems to have any effect on police brutality. States have a history of ignoring or actively disparaging civil rights. Occasionally federalism is a harmless relic, but a lot of times the people crying about the federal government babysitting them are the ones who are trying to act unconstitutionally.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by justwannasing » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 2:48 AM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #92

justwannasing wrote: post #86

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Of the thousand killed by cop, how many were holding a gun to the head of someone, or came out shooting before that happened?

Life isn't like the movies. Police should be masters at de-escalation. Instead, because they are not trained and motivated, they often create the situations which result in shootings. Not universally, but often. The people who shoot at the police _do_ have a reasonable belief that they'll be killed if they don't try to defend themselves. That is people who have committed crimes end up being more violent because they…

What you are trying to do is blame the actions of the bad guys on the police and making the bad guys blameless and without fault. You are saying that, if it weren't for the police, there would be no killings and shootings.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by ossreality » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 3:06 AM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #15

justwannasing wrote: post #10

Gonna give you guys a few quick blurbs. First, a chief of police was interviewed on CBS News a while back. He said there are thousands upon thousands of police interactions with citizens every day but all anyone ever hears about is the one bad one that happened one time. Second, and this might sound off-topic but I hope you get my point. I was helping a guy move, a few months back, along with one of his friends who's…

I've got cops in my Family... and any cop will tell you that bad cops exist. Only with proper independent review panels can justice be served against a bad cop. I'm not necessarily "anti-cop", but I know the importance of a robust cop investigation unit.

Oh, so now your disgusting defense of cop pride as an excuse for them shooting us makes total sense.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by opo » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 4:17 AM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #54

mikeash wrote: post #47

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I don't really care to coddle the people we entrust with the guns. If their feelings are so easily hurt, then we should fire the lot of them and find new ones who can withstand some words. I don't think the police actually are this way, not most of them. But if they were, then the answer would be to start over from a clean slate, not try to work around their delicate feelings.

Its more like they serve a critical role in cities. There's been a drive-by shooting in Baltimore a few weeks ago, but Officer Morale (from the protests / etc. etc.) is so low that none of the officers wanted to do anything about it. Anthony Batts was fired for it, but a change in leadership doesn't change the fundamental morale problem going on with the Baltimore City Police Department.

>...but Officer Morale (from the protests / etc. etc.) is so low that none of the officers wanted to do anything about it.

In any other organization, people who didn't do their jobs would be disciplined or fired. Why are the police different?

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by opo » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 4:20 AM UTC

afarrell wrote: post #70

mikeash wrote: post #57

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The fact that they serve a critical role is why I suggest that the response for the case when police all have excessively delicate feelings would be to fire them all and find new ones , not just fire them all and leave the police department empty. Officer morale in Baltimore is so low that nobody wanted to respond to a drive-by shooting? Anywhere else, if your morale is so low that you don't feel like doing your job,…

> fire them all and find new ones What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? And how do you imagine that having a force completely made of inexperienced cops will improve things?

>...What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from?

There are plenty of people who would be very grateful for the kinds of money police officers can make in a typical city. I seriously don't think there would be a problem.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by ionised » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 10:08 AM UTC

afarrell wrote: post #71

mbrameld wrote: post #56

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If your cop family members are aware of bad cops but do nothing about it then they are bad cops too.

What specifically should they do?

Can't they report them? Investigate them?

There's no reason to be loyal to corrupt and dangerous indiviuals that are supposed to be trusted public servants.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by justwannasing » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 12:29 PM UTC

rosser wrote: post #87

justwannasing wrote: post #86

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Of the thousand killed by cop, how many were holding a gun to the head of someone, or came out shooting before that happened?

I'll bet you the cash I have on my person that there were more unarmed people in that thousand than had a gun to someone's head.

I'll bet you cash on my person that there were more people doing bad things to innocent people during these events.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by darkcube » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 1:58 PM UTC

afarrell wrote: post #71

mbrameld wrote: post #56

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If your cop family members are aware of bad cops but do nothing about it then they are bad cops too.

What specifically should they do?

...band together with the other "good cops", quit their jobs, and create that "robust independent police review board" ?

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by rosser » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 2:13 PM UTC

justwannasing wrote: post #107

rosser wrote: post #87

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I'll bet you the cash I have on my person that there were more unarmed people in that thousand than had a gun to someone's head.

I'll bet you cash on my person that there were more people doing bad things to innocent people during these events.

...which means they should get shot by a cop?

I don't think that's how "criminal justice" is supposed to work.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by justwannasing » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 3:25 PM UTC

rosser wrote: post #109

justwannasing wrote: post #107

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I'll bet you cash on my person that there were more people doing bad things to innocent people during these events.

...which means they should get shot by a cop? I don't think that's how "criminal justice" is supposed to work.

Now you're saying that is the norm. You're basing your statements on the internet scream, HN and Reddit and not reality. You're basing your statements on one-off happenings as it happens everywhere.

These are things no engineer would hear of but you see statements like yours on HN all the time.