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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 10:35 PM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #320

dragonwriter wrote: post #316

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> So is sodomy Well, on the face of the statutes, yes, but unlike statutes criminalizing adultery, those criminalizing consensual sodomy have been pretty clearly struck down as unconstitutional, so the fact that they remain "on the books" does not actually mean that they are criminal, since the law purporting to make them so is itself invalid. (There's some debate about the Constitutional status of adultery statutes,…

No federal court but pretty much every state court has. The United States is one of few industrialized countries to have laws criminalizing adultery. In the United States, laws vary from state to state. Up until the mid 20th century most US states (especially Southern and Northeastern states) had laws against fornication, adultery or cohabitation. These laws have gradually been abolished or struck down by courts as u…

> No federal court but pretty much every state court has.

No, that's not true.

> The United States is one of few industrialized countries to have laws criminalizing adultery. In the United States, laws vary from state to state. Up until the mid 20th century most US states (especially Southern and Northeastern states) had laws against fornication, adultery or cohabitation. These laws have gradually been abolished or struck down by courts as unconstitutional.

True (and, unlike the first sentence, a direct quote from Wikipedia) but also potentially misleading as to the trend with regard to adultery specifically by lumping together those three different things into a collective group.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by fnordfnordfnord » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 10:36 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #279

john_b wrote: post #245

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Except that shooting someone is generally illegal, whereas having an affair is not. Allocate your sympathy as you wish, but don't pretend that a person deserves to be the victim of a crime because you or anyone else find their behavior distasteful.

Adultery is illegal in many bits of the US.

It is but according to the Wiki it there hasn't been a conviction in the US since 1983.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by dimino » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 10:38 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #306

dimino wrote: post #291

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Crime or not, they're both immoral. Nobody has a right to private immoral activity.

Anyone can make that argument about anything, so what you're saying is "I don't believe there should be such a thing as privacy".

Maybe, maybe not -- I'd love to discuss it.

More importantly, I wanted to reframe your comment in a way that was productive. Instead of "Nobody has a right to private criminality.", it seems more conversational to say "Nobody has a right to private amorality."

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 10:40 PM UTC

cjsthompson wrote: post #313

balls2you wrote: post #278

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> Having an affair actually is illegal in almost half the US, and in some states, it's even a felony. Wow! United Saudi Arabia (USA)!

Saudi Arabia allows polygyny which is the complete opposite of this.

Allowing polygyny is not the opposite of criminalizing adultery; its quite orthogonal.

Its the opposite of criminalizing polygyny, which is also common in the US, but that's a different issue.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by unchocked » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:09 PM UTC

KingMob wrote: post #206

unchocked wrote: post #184

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I don't see how enabling affairs contributes to the net misery of the world. A civilized society ought to move away from your sort of moralizing judgement about relations between consenting adults, or those who facilitate them. Adults are free to fuck: they are happier for doing it.

But people in open relationships have no need to use a site based on cheating. They just use OkCupid, which is fairly poly-friendly. Despite what you said, Ashley Madison doesn't facilitate relations between "consenting" adults, because in an affair, 1 or 2 people didn't consent: the spouses being cheated on.

Ashley Madison facilitated relations between consenting adults. Full stop. The jilted spouses had nothing to do with it.

The jilted spouses weren't involved in the sex. Betrayal only occurred within a personal relationship, and the resolution of betrayal can only be handled within that relationship. For an Internet vigilante mob to throw what is entirely a private matter into a public light is irresponsible in the extreme, and tangentially is probably harmful to the spouses being cheated on as well.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by Nadya » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:15 PM UTC

unchocked wrote: post #325

KingMob wrote: post #206

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But people in open relationships have no need to use a site based on cheating. They just use OkCupid, which is fairly poly-friendly. Despite what you said, Ashley Madison doesn't facilitate relations between "consenting" adults, because in an affair, 1 or 2 people didn't consent: the spouses being cheated on.

Ashley Madison facilitated relations between consenting adults. Full stop. The jilted spouses had nothing to do with it. The jilted spouses weren't involved in the sex. Betrayal only occurred within a personal relationship, and the resolution of betrayal can only be handled within that relationship. For an Internet vigilante mob to throw what is entirely a private matter into a public light is irresponsible in the ex…

>Betrayal only occurred within a personal relationship

I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't test my luck with expecting a previously unfaithful partner to suddenly be faithful with me if they have a track record of unfaithfulness.

I have more personal value in knowing if someone is unfaithful than if they are an RSO - and yet being an RSO is made public knowledge.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by rue » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:22 PM UTC

ArtDev wrote: post #235

ArtDev wrote: post #207

I may not like the idea of the site, but it wasn't until I started seeings ads for it, that I started hoping for its downfall. My wish was granted!

Here is a banner ad I am referring to: http://thehairpin.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2011/04/1-7...

Me, I have an adblocker and let other people do what they want to do.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by cjsthompson » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:38 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #324

cjsthompson wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saudi Arabia allows polygyny which is the complete opposite of this.

Allowing polygyny is not the opposite of criminalizing adultery; its quite orthogonal. Its the opposite of criminalizing polygyny, which is also common in the US, but that's a different issue.

This is certainly what tumblr ideologues who haven't bothered checking scientific facts (behavioral biology) like to believe.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by larrywright » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:41 PM UTC

MertsA wrote: post #27

Not too surprising. Security in the past has been worse than abysmal on that site. I had a friend that jokingly made an account and sent me a link to his profile. However, that link was also his entire session. Once in the profile section it would let you change the password without knowing the current password. And the last kicker, the change password box had asterisks in it on page load and a quick "view source" re…

I have a common gmail address, and as a result, it frequently gets used to sign up for things by people who are confused about their email address. In particular, there's a guy in South Carolina who signs up for adult hookup/dating sites using my email address. Very frequently I get emails with links in them that allow me, without any authentication, to change passwords, bios, etc.

All that to say, I think this is quite common. I frequently use this to my advantage to do things like remove my email address, deactivate accounts, or change the bio to "you shouldn't sleep with me, I can't even remember my own email address."

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by larrywright » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:46 PM UTC

wl wrote: post #264

mdip wrote: post #101

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My only concern is for those who's credit card information was used illegally. If I were an employer, I'd be concerned about hiring someone who joined this site. Most jobs put people in a position where they could "get away" with theft or other illegal activities that could deeply harm the company and I can see employers being very concerned about hiring someone associated with the site. Those folks just had their li…

Someone signed up for an account and mistakenly used my first initial + last name @ gmail address. Support refused to purge my address from their system unless I paid them, something I refused to do. I guess one of my email addresses is in this dump.

My first thought when I saw this was that my email is frequently used to sign up for sites like this. I don't think this one in particular, but it got me thinking about the implications.