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I've got cops in my Family... and any cop will tell you that bad cops exist. Only with proper independent review panels can justice be served against a bad cop. I'm not necessarily "anti-cop", but I know the importance of a robust cop investigation unit.
If your cop family members are aware of bad cops but do nothing about it then they are bad cops too.
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This is Chicago, we really have no republicans in power. The downvotes are just knee-jerk stupidity because the MSM doesn't report much on union abuse and unions largely get a free pass in the US for political reasons. Democrats won't go after them as they more or less pay for Democratic campaigns.
Please just stop acting like a jerk. These sorts of problems exist in many jurisdictions spanning all sorts of political boundaries.
All cycles, top donors EVER are dominated by unions giving to democrats. Its 100% a partisan issue.
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The fact that they serve a critical role is why I suggest that the response for the case when police all have excessively delicate feelings would be to fire them all and find new ones , not just fire them all and leave the police department empty. Officer morale in Baltimore is so low that nobody wanted to respond to a drive-by shooting? Anywhere else, if your morale is so low that you don't feel like doing your job,…
> fire them all and find new ones What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? And how do you imagine that having a force completely made of inexperienced cops will improve things?
More likely, some of them are prideful and the rest go along. Start disciplining them and you'll get rid of the bad ones and fix the rest. For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to respond should be fired instantaneously.
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> fire them all and find new ones What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? And how do you imagine that having a force completely made of inexperienced cops will improve things?
The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. I don't think that's the case, but if it is, then firing them all and getting new ones will still be an improvement. More likely, some of them are prideful and the rest go along. Start disciplining them and you'll get rid of the bad ones and fix the rest. For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to…
At no point did I say that. Hacker News doesn't lend itself to discussion very well, and if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion.
> For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to respond should be fired instantaneously.
You clearly have awesome leadership skills. You should run for Police Sheriff, clearly you know more about running a police department than everyone else.
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Point. But in any case, Police pride is a real thing and you need to account for it in your arguments. Otherwise, actual police reform becomes impossible.
Asking for the police to be less discriminatory, less violent in their counters, and more accountable for their actions is normal, routine and given in every other profession. That we allow any exception for the police to violate those aspects as a matter of respecting their pride means that we're giving their pride FAR more weight than it deserves.
to wit from the article: The performance evaluation covered 19 months and concluded that Davis “displays a complete lack of objectivity combined with a clear bias against the police in spite of his own lengthy police career.” That is a serpent choking down its own tail.
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It will be very hard to pin the problems with Chicago on Republicans.
Are you saying Governors have no power over the cities that reside in their state? From 1977 to 2003 Republicans were in control of Illinois executive office. 26 years in a row. From 1972 to 1991, Jon Burge running the show as Chicago police commander. Are you trying to say that Republican governors had no power to investigate/curtail the evil that was brewing under his leadership? hehe.
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Or if you advocate more Libertarian principles/discussion, you're immediately told to "move to Somalia". Yes, I've gotten that one on HN even, IIRC.
I guess it depends on exactly how "Libertarian" a view one is espousing. "Why should I have to pay for a fire department? My house isn't on fire!" Yeah, that guy needs to move to Somalia. Not so he can experience what that degree of government-free state is actually like, but rather so the rest of us don't have to put up with that kind of idiocy.
I'm going to pass on getting into another Freedom discussion, seeing as you're already off to referring to certain ideas as "idiocy". Hardly the platform for a decent, logical debate on the topic.
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The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. I don't think that's the case, but if it is, then firing them all and getting new ones will still be an improvement. More likely, some of them are prideful and the rest go along. Start disciplining them and you'll get rid of the bad ones and fix the rest. For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to…
>The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. At no point did I say that. Hacker News doesn't lend itself to discussion very well, and if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion. > For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to res…
Now as to the actual discussion, you said that if we don't keep pride in mind, it will be difficult to get officers to reform. You further presented the example of the Baltimore drive-by which the police refused to respond to after their pride had been hurt. That, to me, sounds like you're saying that if we hurt police pride they will turn on us by failing to obey us and by failing to protect us. Is that not what you meant?
As for my "awesome leadership skills," are you saying that firing police officers who refuse to respond to an incident because they have hurt feelings due to protests is the wrong action to take? If I understand that correctly, please elaborate. In any other job, refusing to do perform a critical duty required by your job without a very good reason is generally a firing offense. Why is that not the case for the police, and what action do you suggest should be taken?
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>The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. At no point did I say that. Hacker News doesn't lend itself to discussion very well, and if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion. > For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to res…
Hello pot, I'm kettle. Need I remind you that you started out accusing me of bringing race into the conversation? So please don't lecture me on stuffing words into people's mouths. Now as to the actual discussion, you said that if we don't keep pride in mind, it will be difficult to get officers to reform. You further presented the example of the Baltimore drive-by which the police refused to respond to after their p…
If this is your level of maturity, then I shall have no part in the rest of this conversation. Your "awesome leadership skills" can't even comprehend the concept behind "morale" anyway, I'm not sure where to even start a discussion with you.