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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/623095490226159616

How is full name, address, credit card information, and private pictures and messages considered "just metadata"? Nothing about that is metadata.

Imagine private pictures and messages not published. Then, full name, address and credit card information are actually "just" metadata, by the definition we've often heard from the officials. And publishing that is more than enough for those involved to really worry, that's the idea behind the message.

Moreover, the article states "the company didn’t provide information on how much data might have been compromised." Where did you get the info that private pictures and messages are available?

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#152

As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…

It's a little more subtle than "getting away with sex"

A lot of people in the US proclaim some sort of moral purity and or authority. Others, do not.

This breaks down roughly along party lines, with one party running on moral purity and or authority and the other running on a more general concept of social justice and equality. And that's just for visualizing how it works. There are strong purity factions everywhere.

When the purity people get caught out as unpure the shit hits the fan! When others get caught out, the purity people go nuts, others may or may not have cause to comment, depending on how they evaluate the scenario.

President Bill Clinton is an example of the not running on purity person getting caught in some sex. The purity crowd moved to impeach and we spent a lot of money. In the end, he was not impeached, and the real judgement from the non-purity crowd was he was stupid, got caught, and his wife didn't deserve any of the shit that came of it.

The purity crowd declared him impure, and deserving of the worst.

Wide stance Senator Stevens, "the series of tubes guy" is an example of the purity gone bad. He, along with others, have run on an anti-gay platform, more generally "family values" and got caught soliciting gay sex. Of course the purity crowd went nuts, and so did a lot of the nation on that one.

Reason: Claiming purity while failing to say what one does and doing what one says. Hypocrite was the judgement from the non-purity crowd, and impure, deserving of the worst was the judgement from the purity crowd.

It's important to see that dynamic to understand how bizzare the USA is about sex and related things.

The majority of us are more sensitive to hypocrisy than we are any violations of purity, and the worst is generally to claim high purity, then not actually demonstrate it in how one lives their life.

It's a wonder we got the gay marriage progress we did!

But there is something instructive there. Don't lie about your own moral sensibilities. It's better to be impure and honest than present as pure and not be. Much better.

As more Americans work through this, we see more honesty regarding sex and with that, less overall insanity.

But it's going to be a long while for that to play out more favorably in our society. It may never actually, and that's due to religion. It's not a particular sect or faith. It's just that our First Amendment has the effect of amplifying religion. Given there is no State sanctioned one, religious people see the USA as a free state, ready to be claimed, or saved, or some other thing.

Or, if it's not that, there is just a lot of freedom to get the word out, and so there are a lot of people getting that word out.

The media will play to this because eyeballs mean revenue.

And perhaps that is the last thing I would say. Most Americans aren't so wound up on sex. Enough of us are to present that way in media, because it makes money.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're aware that you are engaging in a kind of ad-hominem here by attacking the character and reputation of a country that the OP belongs to in an attempt to justify or defend against what he said?

I beg pardon, but I was engaging with a snarky attack on the character and reputation of the country that I belong to, so save it.

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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#154

It get's me that so many people are basically saying it serves these people right for using the service. I don't think that it matters that this is a "cheating" site, your privacy should still be guarded and it's not fair that all these people are being exposed. Secondly, I'd wager that many of the users sign up to use Ashley Madison for the thrill of the idea and probably aren't actually cheaters themselves or hooki…

All parties involved can be at fault. And lots of people will think that privacy, while very important, is not quite at the same level as marital fidelity.

It's like hearing that a vicious murderous mob boss had his leg shot off. Yes, the person who took his leg ought to be sent to jail, but we might not have much sympathy for the mob boss since his terrible actions led directly to those consequences.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#155

It get's me that so many people are basically saying it serves these people right for using the service. I don't think that it matters that this is a "cheating" site, your privacy should still be guarded and it's not fair that all these people are being exposed. Secondly, I'd wager that many of the users sign up to use Ashley Madison for the thrill of the idea and probably aren't actually cheaters themselves or hooki…

> Secondly, I'd wager that many of the users sign up to use Ashley Madison for the thrill of the idea and probably aren't actually cheaters themselves or hooking up with other cheaters. A lot of the users are probably into the idea of roll playing or something similar.

The site charges money to use most of its features. The people who just signed up out of sheer curiosity and have no interest in using it probably aren't paying customers, and as such, don't need to provide personal information.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#158

It get's me that so many people are basically saying it serves these people right for using the service. I don't think that it matters that this is a "cheating" site, your privacy should still be guarded and it's not fair that all these people are being exposed. Secondly, I'd wager that many of the users sign up to use Ashley Madison for the thrill of the idea and probably aren't actually cheaters themselves or hooki…

All parties involved can be at fault. And lots of people will think that privacy, while very important, is not quite at the same level as marital fidelity. It's like hearing that a vicious murderous mob boss had his leg shot off. Yes, the person who took his leg ought to be sent to jail, but we might not have much sympathy for the mob boss since his terrible actions led directly to those consequences.

Typical.

Free speech! (Until I hear something I don't like!)

Equal rights! (Except for people that are not like me!)

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another case to be considered here, too - people who have used the site, got caught/came clean, did the work to fix it and have rescued their marriages (or were doing it with the blessing of their spouse), and now are at risk for their name being published for viewing by their coworkers, neighbors, members of their church, etc as a "cheater", "adulterer", etc, even after they've ostensibly paid their moral de…

It's a shame you repeat his name.

You're right; I saw the initial story and then stopped reading everything about him, so I missed that the more polite elements were scrubbing his name. My mistake.

If an HN mod sees this, could you anonymize that for me? The comment is no longer editable.

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