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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by egeozcan »

Asbostos wrote: post #49
sneak wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheating is legal. Publishing people's PII is not.

Being illegal doesn't necessarily make is more wrong. Those laws are quite peculiar to this time and country. You could say that the laws in a democracy reflect what the people feel is right and wrong, but only on a very coarse level. There are bound to be laws that the majority disagrees with, as well as actions which people agree are wrong but individual cases are so complicated the law wouldn't really be able to h…

> Being illegal doesn't necessarily make it more wrong. Those laws are quite peculiar to this time and country.

It does make it more wrong, without getting into personal opinions. Morals vary even more across communities, cultures and countries. It's a fallacy to think yours is universal.

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Post by StavrosK »

kelnos wrote: post #77
StavrosK wrote: post #62

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Adultery is also criminal in many parts of the world, including the US.

Only sorta true: "The United States is one of few industrialized countries to have laws criminalizing adultery... Adultery remains a criminal offense in 21 states, although prosecutions are rare." [0] From skimming the rest of the article, it seems adultery is otherwise only criminal in some parts of Asia and Africa. So while I suppose your statement is strictly true, it's not usefully true as a rebuttal of the paren…

My point is more that judging moral issues by whether there's a law against them is a facile argument, and that the GP needs a better one. I think we can all agree that cheating is morally reprehensible, and thus its facilitators are not morally justified.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by dogma1138 »

Jugurtha wrote: post #57

As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…

Seems to be that half of the big stories coming from Europe is which politician is fucking who, and what model will he dump his wife for when he's elected to office.

After various french and Italian prime ministers and even princess d. It's a bit hard to claim it's a us issue...

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by richmarr »

itistoday2 wrote: post #37
praptak wrote: post #21

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Illegal acts against people considered "deserving" is vigilantism, which is bad.

Vigilantism is by no means categorically "bad". Sometimes it is the correct, ethically responsible action, such as when an existing system is too corrupt and incapable of delivering justice.

Correctness is subjective, as are ethics. All we have is consensus, and the benefit of exposing ideas to debate.

If you allow individuals to take the law into their own hands, without counsel maybe one time in 100 you'll get an Edward Snowden, the other 99 will be the kind of people who beat up trans kids.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by amirmc »

cheald wrote: post #23
tenpoundhammer wrote: post #2

The possibilities are endless, I imagine someone will make this data easily searchable and journalists will be digging through to found anyone of notoriety that was dumb enough to sign up with their own names and credit cards etc. This hack could create a ton of news stories, including record divorce rates. I'm curious as to how the ashley madison admins are killing these links? DMCA takedowns? What's the mechanism f…

There's another case to be considered here, too - people who have used the site, got caught/came clean, did the work to fix it and have rescued their marriages (or were doing it with the blessing of their spouse), and now are at risk for their name being published for viewing by their coworkers, neighbors, members of their church, etc as a "cheater", "adulterer", etc, even after they've ostensibly paid their moral de…

> "There are certainly a lot of karma coming to a lot of people who deserve it, ..."

That's an extremely judgmental comment.

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Post by Natsu »

kofejnik wrote: post #50
Asbostos wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…

your morals are universal now? You're comparing legal activity between consenting adults to sexual assault, which in itself I find repulsive and worse than cheating

Adultery is not, in fact, legal in significant portions of the US. I wouldn't say it's like assault, but the aggrieved party is the spouse who is cheated on who is being put at risk of STDs and similar things.

Also, while the morals may not be agreed upon by all parties, I think that the people who are hiding it from their spouses are not hiding it because they expect the spouse to agree. There are, after all, significantly more honest ways to handle that sort of thing than going behind your spouse's back. I had never heard of this site until now, but from what little I've seen, it appears to cater to those who are not at all honest about what they're doing.

I certainly agree that no one should be going around dispensing vigilante justice or encouraging the same, as well as with the cautions that someone could easily ruin the wrong people with that kind of information, but it's hard not to think that some will end up reaping what they have sowed after this.

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Post by ionised »

globuous wrote: post #72
Jugurtha wrote: post #57

As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…

I think for 2 reasons: a) Americans absolutely hate liars. You can see that in their schooling system at a very young age. Cheating (in the academic sense) in an american school (and I would even generalize to English speaking schools) is, as far as I've experienced, sanctioned much more severly than in France and I'm sure other countries. b) Sex sells man. Sex sells so much !! Music, movies, the news, commercials et…

If Americans hated liars there would be lynch mobs in the streets every time a politician opened his mouth.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by ionised »

juliangregorian wrote: post #75
Jugurtha wrote: post #71

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Well, I go on and on about where I live on multiple Hacker News threads. My handle is my real name. If I were hiding, I think I would go to greater lengths. Funny you talk about geospacial location, I'm interested in GIS and didn't find a lot of threads about it here. PS: I upvoted your replies because I want you to share your thoughts. Keep 'em coming :)

So Algeria, then. I must confess, I'm not really sure how to find Algerian news - is there even a free press there? I agree with you that the situation in America is ridiculous, but do you really think Algeria of all places is less sexually repressed and prurient?

You're aware that you are engaging in a kind of ad-hominem here by attacking the character and reputation of a country that the OP belongs to in an attempt to justify or defend against what he said?

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Post by ionised »

cm2187 wrote: post #67
Gigablah wrote: post #54

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Your purview of the "IT industry" is pretty narrow.

Well, does it matter to the end user whether it is a flash or OpenSSL vulnerability, a sql injection vulnerability, a weak password or simply a careless employee who didn't check the URL before entering a password? It is a long chain in which every single link has shown to be weak so far.

You're talking about network security, which is a very small subset of IT.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by Asbostos »

kofejnik wrote: post #50
Asbostos wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…

your morals are universal now? You're comparing legal activity between consenting adults to sexual assault, which in itself I find repulsive and worse than cheating

Does non-violent sexual assault cause any harm other than emotional? That's why I'm making the comparison - we think sexual assault is very bad, while cheating isn't. Yet I don't see the reason for that distinction, except perhaps the degree of emotional harm it causes. But even in that case, it's not always worse.

Your argument of "it's repulsive" and "it's worse" doesn't really address the question of why it's worse. What makes it worse? Consent is a bit arbitrary. Eg. price fixing is consentual yet still illegal and most people agree that it's harmful.

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