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Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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#101

I see a few comments sympathizing with the vigilantes behind this, implying that the exposed users had it coming. I am a bit sickened by this attitude, for several reasons. First of all, adultery is not illegal in the countries where most users of AshleyMadison are presumably residing, and even if it were, people could have used fake names which could implicate someone not actually associated with the site. This coul…

My only concern is for those who's credit card information was used illegally. If I were an employer, I'd be concerned about hiring someone who joined this site. Most jobs put people in a position where they could "get away" with theft or other illegal activities that could deeply harm the company and I can see employers being very concerned about hiring someone associated with the site. Those folks just had their lives ruined -- even when they manage to prove to the banks that the activity was illegal, they're now associated with this for life.

As for the "real users". I don't think the lack of sympathy stems from people's misunderstanding that extramarital affairs are not "illegal". Most marriages have an expectation of monogamy and most users of this site were doing so in order to enjoy that activity without getting caught. They were the ones who decided to engage in an activity that broke up their family and "destroyed lives". This just sped up the process of getting caught. Aside from the moral contract that was broken, the cheating spouse also exposed their partner to sexually transmitted diseases without their knowledge.

I think sites like this are despicable and people using them should expect that a site that caters to helping you "get away with things" is not a trustworthy place to do business. They actually charged $19 to have your profile "completely removed" and then didn't do what was paid for.

I don't condone "vigilante punishment" and a read of the comments seems focused more on the activities of the users than the condoning of how they were caught, but I completely understand the lack of sympathy. I doubt you'd see such a lack of sympathy if the site catered to helping individuals escape addiction or cope with mental illness -- where a similar desire for anonymity exists.

Two wrongs don't make a right, yes, but expecting the average married person to have a lot of sympathy for a site that caters to weak people who'd rather destroy their marriage than figure out how to be a good wife, husband, father or mother is a stretch. There are many corners of the internet that make a huge profit catering to vice that is not illegal but getting caught doing these things would have consequences outside of the law. Users engaged in that activity are choosing to accept the consequences and folks investing in sites like this need to fully understand that the site has a big red target on their back; it will probably be attacked successfully at some point in the future.

As an aside, why is it assumed that all cheaters are men? The "vigilantes" frustrated me most with the comment Too bad for those men, they’re cheating dirtbags and deserve no such discretion. Anecdotally, I know of several relationships broken up by infidelity. I doubt I'm alone, it seems to be the main reason that my friends' marriages end in divorce -- people don't like to be alone so rather than end their marriage, attempt to mature and figure out why they were so unhappy, they jump to another partner and start off a new relationship with no trust as the foundation. In my small dataset, almost all of the affairs were had by women.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#102

The one group of people for whom I feel exactly no sympathy in all of this is the owners, investors and employees of AshleyMadison. Anyone who creates a site specifically to encourage and facilitate adultery deserves everything he or she gets.

If they didn't provide it, someone else would (and do). Like it or not, there is a demand for those sites.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#103
post #23

The possibilities are endless, I imagine someone will make this data easily searchable and journalists will be digging through to found anyone of notoriety that was dumb enough to sign up with their own names and credit cards etc. This hack could create a ton of news stories, including record divorce rates. I'm curious as to how the ashley madison admins are killing these links? DMCA takedowns? What's the mechanism f…

There's another case to be considered here, too - people who have used the site, got caught/came clean, did the work to fix it and have rescued their marriages (or were doing it with the blessing of their spouse), and now are at risk for their name being published for viewing by their coworkers, neighbors, members of their church, etc as a "cheater", "adulterer", etc, even after they've ostensibly paid their moral de…

Also people who registered on the site out of curiosity or fantasy and then never carried through on the act.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#104
Krebs is down again, so here's a link to the Washington Post coverage: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/20...

TL;DR: Hackers took basically all data from cheating site AshleyMadison.com and what the hackers claim is a human trafficing/prostitution site EstablishedMen.com, have released some of real names/addresses/photos/profiles, and are threatening to release all 37 million personal records if the company doesn't take both sites offline.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#105

The one group of people for whom I feel exactly no sympathy in all of this is the owners, investors and employees of AshleyMadison. Anyone who creates a site specifically to encourage and facilitate adultery deserves everything he or she gets.

If they didn't provide it, someone else would (and do). Like it or not, there is a demand for those sites.

Sure, but do those facts alter the (im)morality of their behavior?

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#106
post #101

I see a few comments sympathizing with the vigilantes behind this, implying that the exposed users had it coming. I am a bit sickened by this attitude, for several reasons. First of all, adultery is not illegal in the countries where most users of AshleyMadison are presumably residing, and even if it were, people could have used fake names which could implicate someone not actually associated with the site. This coul…

My only concern is for those who's credit card information was used illegally. If I were an employer, I'd be concerned about hiring someone who joined this site. Most jobs put people in a position where they could "get away" with theft or other illegal activities that could deeply harm the company and I can see employers being very concerned about hiring someone associated with the site. Those folks just had their li…

I do not expect anyone to have much sympathy with the site nor its users. But still, being publicly defamed on the internet for eternity is far too harsh a punishment for cheating on your spouse. The motivations for cheating can be complicated, and while it certainly destroys many relationships, I believe that some might still be salvaged when the cheater can come clean on his/her own terms.

Outing a cheater which you have no relationship with is a disgusting violation of the privacy of all parties involved, including the partner who was cheated on. It is interesting how the anonymity of the internet suddenly makes people more comfortable with shaming other people whom they have no personal relationship with.

I guess I'm just opposed to having a society where people punish strangers for not living up to their own moral codes. If we accept that someone reveals the names of cheaters on the internet, then we are accepting a society where it is okay to meddle in the most intimate parts of other peoples lives, even if their actions do not affect ourselves or society as a whole. This is wrong and disgusting in the same way as it is wrong when vigilante "sharia patrols" roam muslim neighborhoods in London, to bring up an admittedly extreme example. It is none of my business how other people lead their lives, even if I disagree with their lifestyle, as long as their actions do not harm me or the society as a whole. There is a reason we do not have a karma police.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Algeria, then. I must confess, I'm not really sure how to find Algerian news - is there even a free press there? I agree with you that the situation in America is ridiculous, but do you really think Algeria of all places is less sexually repressed and prurient?

You're aware that you are engaging in a kind of ad-hominem here by attacking the character and reputation of a country that the OP belongs to in an attempt to justify or defend against what he said?

I beg pardon, but I was engaging with a snarky attack on the character and reputation of the country that I belong to, so save it.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#109

The one group of people for whom I feel exactly no sympathy in all of this is the owners, investors and employees of AshleyMadison. Anyone who creates a site specifically to encourage and facilitate adultery deserves everything he or she gets.

I don't have problem with 'encourage and facilitate' - blame lies 100% on one committing adultery.

But they deserve being hunted down by lynch mob of defrauded cheaters for that removal fee extortion.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Algeria, then. I must confess, I'm not really sure how to find Algerian news - is there even a free press there? I agree with you that the situation in America is ridiculous, but do you really think Algeria of all places is less sexually repressed and prurient?

Sorry for the dealy, I submitted too many messages and was halted. >>So Algeria, then. I must confess, I'm not really sure how to find Algerian news - is there even a free press there? Have you tried Google? I think you'll most likely stumble on elwatan.com, liberte-algerie.com, lesoirdalgerie.com [in French]. As to whether there's free press or not.. By "free press", do you mean a country where journalists aren't ha…

I did google of course, and everything I found in English was either dead or so inactive as to be worthless (as in articles from 2013 on the front page).

> That was the point. You expect more from people who have a lot.

Do you really though? This seems awfully naive and idealistic. Humans are mostly the same everywhere. As much as Americans have, we're still very sexually repressed, and having a free-ish market for journalism, scandalous news generates a lot of clicks.

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