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Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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Great article about a previous innovation of Michelin that failed: In the 1990s Michelin developed a revolutionary new kind of tire with sensors and an internal hard wheel that could run almost perfectly for 125 miles after a puncture. They forgot to involve the ecosystem.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/03/05/why-gr...

(edit: not being negative on this new product, just providing some context)

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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Great unsprung weight seriously affects comfort and handling. I'm not sure this tradeoff is a good one.

I have a 5 series bmw (f10 latest one), and I have had other premium cars before and I (and many car experts) can tell you nothing comes close in this price range in terms of handling and comfort of BMW, run flat tires make no difference for me compared to regular tires on my previous Merc and my friend's audi a6. Why downvoting? It's my personal experience and opinion? Sometimes I don't understand HN users...

I didn't downvote you, but I'd guess the reason was that you brought an irrelevant fact to a discussion about run-flat vs regular tires - it doesn't really matter if a BMW with run-flat still has better handling than an Audi with regulars.

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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> The series of “rigorous tests” that the company is putting its tires through are meant to prove their durability, hardness (efficiency), stability, ability to take high-speed turns (slalom), and ability to maintain their integrity at high speeds (up to 130 kilometers per hour). That's only 80 MPH. I'm interested in the no flats and potential fuel savings but I'd want to be able to travel at freeway speeds on long t…

What exactly do you consider freeway speeds? Even in the metro ATL area which is notorious for thinking the speed limit is a suggestion, the vast majority of traffic is moving under 85 MPH.

In Poland the legal motorway speed limit is 90mph(which means there is a lot of traffic moving at 100-110mph). In neighboring Germany you can drive much faster than that. An 80mph tyre would be useless.

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

#54
Watch for stats on rolling resistance, tire weight, impact on suspension / size, and cost before getting excited.

Punctures occasionally cause blowouts, and those are awful, but still subject to tradeoffs. If airless tires tank the efficiency of your vehicle you'll think to yourself, "Well, I've never had a catastrophic blowout... and changing a tire is a pain, but isn't that bad."

We've used airless for decades, just not in cars. We aren't just waiting for a simpler manufacturing process, there are other constraints at play.

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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They might be heavier but they allow you to get rid of a spare wheel, so overall the car is lighter.

Beyond the issue with unsprung weight, that seems like a truly awful trade-off. A run-flat still needs to be serviced if punctured and is still vulnerable to sidewall damage and potential blow-outs. If you carry a full size spare (I sure do) in the event of most tire failures, you still have the ability to get much further down the road with less drama.

None of the new sedan vehicles carry a full sized tire, they all carry a temporary one, which can only be driven 50 miles at low speed. So still worse than broken run flat

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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Beyond the issue with unsprung weight, that seems like a truly awful trade-off. A run-flat still needs to be serviced if punctured and is still vulnerable to sidewall damage and potential blow-outs. If you carry a full size spare (I sure do) in the event of most tire failures, you still have the ability to get much further down the road with less drama.

None of the new sedan vehicles carry a full sized tire, they all carry a temporary one, which can only be driven 50 miles at low speed. So still worse than broken run flat

They don't come with one stock, sure, but there's nothing to stop you from going and buying the correct sized steel (or cheapo alloy) wheel and a decent tire that's the same size as the ones on the car and carrying it with you (and throwing the junky temporary spare out). Yeah it requires you to work a touch extra on the setup, but it is worth it. The extra full size spare will cost about the same as going with run flats vs non-run flats each time you swap out tires.

If you're interested, it's pretty easy to get the correct sized wheel from somewhere like RockAuto or Discount Tire Direct.

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